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If they hadn't, then it likely would have led to a Bonus Army scenario. If you're not sure what that means, in 1932 tens of thousands of military servicemen and veterans gathered to protest congress and essentially force them to pay out bonds to soldiers.
We've had Government shutdowns before and this would be no different. Plus, the actual fund distribution wouldn't happen until the Appropriations bill comes later, anyways. In fact, theres a non-zero chance that Republicans rip this bill up and replace it after they gain majority and before the Appropriations bill comes.
The 118th congress is coming to an end, and changes to this bill have been in the news since June.
Oh no, a protest followed shortly thereafter by a bill that passes presidential veto. And that the Republicans have the power to do whatever they want in January is exactly why this should have been vetoed. They can do whatever evils they want, but at least then it's on them rather than further eroding the idea that Democrats will stick up for their constituent minority groups.
I didn't say the protest was bad, just answering your question about hypothetical outcomes.
I don't really follow your logic about vetoing this now because of the changing congress, you're saying not passing the bipartisan bill and waiting for a more conservative bill that harms more people would be your ideal?
So you're just a Republican?
The "bipartisan bill" doesn't protect us on anything. There's nothing stopping them from passing any measure we avoided by accepting the "imperfect" bill, so they don't need to surrender to Republican priorities when they only control 1/3rd of the current legislative process. They're going to do the "more harms" regardless of what Democrats do here. Nothing has been averted with this complicity.
Plus my expectation is that a vetoed NDAA doesn't result in a month with no NDAA until the new Congress. It's a "must pass" bill. Cancel recess.
Oh, actually, this is after they talked down a ton of other Republican amendments including stripping reproductive care, denying refugees, banning CRT in military academies, etc.
But hey, the "must pass" part gives Biden the authority to sign it without Republican approval, because Republicans could actually try to drag it out to add in all of their amendments like they have been doing for many months, it doesn't literally force the congress to pass something before the time limit because there are no consequences for not doing so aside from the military going unfunded: which Republicans have demonstrated they would absolutely do.
Oh ok, they got some of the terrible stuff out, I guess good job, call it a day! /s
WTF is wrong with you people. He doesn't need to be a king to not just roll over and accept their poison pills. "They're crazy, they'll do anything" is clearly wrong, as they back down from government shutdowns all the time. It's just a convenient excuse for people like you that, despite failure after failure after failure, think the Democrats are always on the top of their game and just lost because there were no other options.
And if Republicans refuse to write a "clean" bill... OK. If Congress can't get it together to pass something that is acceptable that just funds the military (a thing the Republicans desperately care about), then it's the same blame game that occurs every time a shutdown is imminent. A game the Republicans usually lose.
He passed the bill not because he had too, but because he didn't care enough not to. It's the same lack of courage and triangulating that plays out time and again with centrists and civil rights for minorities. In 20 years we'll all look back at the 2020s centrist triangulation and see it as shameful while the centrists will have moved on to throwing a new vulnerable group under the bus for just not being practical to defend while they don't even try to.