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Arguments after dinner
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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/23601023
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It really isn’t. The left is trying to fight the class war and the right are trying to deny trans people rights while sucking off capitalists. These are not the same thing.
There is no Left in America except for a handful of Democrat Congressmen like Bernie Sanders and political thinkers like Chomsky,
Identity Politics itself isn't Leftwing, it's moral Liberalism, which is on a political axis which is a mainly orthogonal axis to the Left-Right one, thus the thinking of Identity Politics is something which can be part of the Leftwing when it's just an element of a broader fight for Equality and treating all people fairly (so in there it's not really a separate Identity Politics), or part of the Rightwing when the equality it fights for is narrowly defined so as to exclude the greatest inequality of all with the most widespread and impactful discrimination of all - Wealth Inequality - were it serves a sort of marketing function of "differentiating the product" of that political offer from that of other Rightwing political offers.
The later combination (Moral Liberalism + Rightwing) is Neoliberalism and is almost entirely all of what you have in the US with merely a handful of notable exceptions.
The US doesn't have a Leftwing and a Rightwing main parties, it has a Morally Liberal Rightwing party and Morally Illiberal Rightwing party.
I’m talking about the people, bud. But even still I’m including the few politicians that genuinely want shit to be done properly.
So…yes but I don’t know who you wrote that for.
Well, bud, it helps to make it clear that you're talking about people when talking about American politics if you actually use "the people on the Left" or "Lefties" (and similarly to the Right) rather than "the left" and "the right".
Sadly "the left" and "the right" in American politics are commonly used to mean Democrats and Republicans, when none of them is actually Left-of-center politically, probably not even anywhere near the center of the Left-Right axis, though on the Liberal-Authoritarian axis it's a different story as their main differences are along that axis.
My point still stands that Moral Liberalism is hardly an exclusive of the Left, though when it is on the Left it arises naturally from the broader fight for Equality, whilst on the Right it is at times (like in the case of the US) just a way to display a strong political difference from the other party roughly in the same place on the Left-Right axis, which is the point the OP was making.
(In countries with more parties that the American power duopoly this is often more obvious because you end up seeing parties which call themselves Liberal and are both Rightwing on Economic Subjects and Morally Liberal alongside parties which are both Leftwing* on Economic Subject and yet just as Morally Liberal as the "Liberals")
So, no, in the US context not all of the right "are trying to deny trans people rights" - half of them are and the other half want equal oppression for all non-elites, trans or otherwise.