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From remains an unabashed centrist who believes that economic growth, not the economic populism of Sanders or Congresswoman Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, is the answer. “It’s important the critical mass in the Democratic party show that it’s the party of opportunity, responsibility and community but not the party of the left,” he insists.

He also argues that the party should not be afraid to talk about law enforcement and developing a system of community policing rather than urging “defund the police”. Likewise it should embrace the idea of legal immigration and a border that is under control. From applauds governors who have made jobs available to people without college degrees.

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[-] sudo@programming.dev 5 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

We need a socialist and progressive movement to co-opt the Democratic party

People have been trying that for the past 8 years if you haven't been paying attention.

[-] GreyEyedGhost@lemmy.ca 2 points 4 days ago

In political terms, that's known as just starting. As a much broader example, it was only in 1965 that America got (almost) universal suffrage. Depending on the state, that was a problem since 1776.

[-] sudo@programming.dev 0 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

You clearly haven't been paying attention during those eight years if you're spouting that glassy eyed naïveté. You can try reading the article to get a perspective of what the democratic establishment thinks of "socialist and progressive movement" co-opting the democratic party. Such a movement will only succeed over their dead bodies (politically speaking).

[-] GreyEyedGhost@lemmy.ca 0 points 4 days ago

We didn't get to the idea that little things like slavery were a (nearly) universally bad idea within the lifetime of the first person who proposed the radical idea that owning people and having the right to make them work and have the sole benefits of their labor was an abhorrent idea. It didn't even happen in the lifetimes of the founders of groups whose basis was the abolition of slavery, and, frankly, it hasn't yet reached universal acceptance or enforcement in America today. But please, do go on and tell me how these last 8 years of pressure on the Democratic party are equal to the centuries spent reaching that threshold of showing respect for your fellow person.

[-] sudo@programming.dev 2 points 4 days ago

But please, do go on and tell me how these last 8 years of pressure on the Democratic party are equal to [the abolition of slavery]

That comparison is all you huffing your own fumes. But if you want a civil war comparison here it is: You're a dough faced democrat who thinks the planter class can be reasoned with.

If you're an american and you're calling yourself a socialist you should at least familiarize yourself with Marx and his perspective on the US Civil War, which he wrote extensively about.

[-] GreyEyedGhost@lemmy.ca -1 points 3 days ago

I've given two examples of what nowadays is considered a fairly obvious statement, namely that people shouldn't be enslaved and that women are equal to men. One took a war to change, one didn't. Both took centuries to change. The likeliest reason for one causing a war was the financial factor, which both women's suffrage and trans rights don't have. But good on you for focusing on the least relevant element, which wasn't even a factor for one of those two examples. Frankly, I'm surprised you didn't notice the fact that I implied that slavery still exists in America.

[-] sudo@programming.dev 2 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Please read Letter From Birmingham Jail because its meant for people like you. You are not of the process of liberation. You are a drag on it.

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