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[-] dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago

Really curious about the Orion and Raven … aren’t those Chinese or Asian bikes?

Yes.

The Bashan is more or less a Chinese clone of the Honda Bros 125, which is a small displacement light duty dual sport that is sold in developing nations and in this case specifically mostly in South America. It is mechanically identical to the extremely popular "Hawk" 250 bikes and their myriad clones (TBR sells one just like it, X-Pro sells one just like it, etc., etc.) The difference is that the Bashan is EPA certified to be truly 49 state road legal (all but CA) as a roadgoing motorcycle whereas the others are technically "off highway use only" and difficult to plate if you don't live in a state that will plate dirt bikes at the drop of a hat.

It has the very common Chinese "CG" 229 engine in it, which is a clone of the Honda CG125 pushrod engine, but with the jug and head upscaled to 229cc. The Chinese call it "250" cc because their measurement methodology apparently consistently includes the volume inside the head. Whether or not they do this on purpose to have an excuse to lie about their numbers (you know, from the Country That Fakes Literally Everything) is possibly a topic for debate. From the factory this bike makes an asphalt-peeling 14 horsepower, and we've got it riced out to the point that it makes maybe... 16? On a good day, with a following wind. I bought this for my nephew to learn to ride, and he uses it to tag along with me on dual sport camping trips and so on. He loads it up with even more crap that I strap to my KLR and the little thing complete with its noodly suspension and tiny weedy motor handles all of it without complaint -- provided you don't ask it to go faster than about 55, or maintain a brisk pace going up any steep hills.

The Orion has a Zongshen manufactured genuinely 249cc overhead cam engine in it that is a complete clone of the Honda CB250F engine. "Orion" is a private label rebranding of this, and these bikes are actually manufactured by Nicot Motorcycle, at least per the origin paperwork that came in the crate. The frame is very KTM inspired, and the suspension at least is compatible with EXC250F parts. This one cranks out around 22 horsepower while managing to weigh very little (about 275 lbs), but has a fuel tank the size of a thimble and the seat is awful.

I keep thinking about selling the Orion and picking up one of the new "Paladin" 300's, which are total clones of the Kawasaki KLX300 to replace it. I actually bought the Orion during the height of Covid when the KLX was unobtainium.

this post was submitted on 28 Dec 2024
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