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Communism (lemmy.world)

Can anyone succinctly explain communism? Everything I've read in the past said that the state owns the means of production and in practice (in real life) that seems to be the reality. However I encountered a random idiot on the Internet that claimed in communism, there is no state and it is a stateless society. I immediately rejected this idea because it was counter to what I knew about communism irl. In searching using these keywords, I came across the ideas that in communism, it does strive to be a stateless society. So which one is it? If it's supposed to be a stateless society, why are all real-life forms of communism authoritarian in nature?

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[-] MITM0@lemmy.world -5 points 1 week ago

Communism is essentially the next step after socialism, which is basically Anarchy (As in you get rid of the state)

In my humble opinion, You cannot achieve Communism

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 week ago

This isn't correct, at least not with respect to Marxism. The Marxist theory of the State is not the same as the Anarchist theory of the State, Marxists see it as an instrument of Class oppression and Anarchists see it as an institution of hierarchy and a monopoly on violence. This means for Marxists, a fully publicly owned, centrally planned world republic is "stateless" as there are no classes, while for Anarchists it would look more like a horizontal spiderweb network of communes.

[-] MITM0@lemmy.world -1 points 1 week ago

Ok so who "plans" then ? Marxists man๐Ÿ˜…๐Ÿ˜‚

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 week ago

Central Planners, elected officials, managers, etc. Similar to how it is done in the government already in Capitalist nations like the Post Office. Communism would have a government, just not a "state" as Marx outlined it.

[-] TheOtherThyme@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago
[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 week ago

That's the Anarchist critique of Marxism in its barest and simplest form, to be sure. I don't generally agree with this, though, such a statement ignores material democratic structures and methods of ensuring accountability.

[-] MITM0@lemmy.world -2 points 1 week ago
[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 week ago

In the colloquial sense, yes, hence the widespread misundertanding of Marxism among those who haven't read him. For Marx, though, organization and hierarchy aren't a problem in classless society, and are rather essential tools to provide for all.

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