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submitted 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) by Pherenike@lemmy.ml to c/asklemmy@lemmy.ml

My father insists on a version of past events that is not true, where he supposedly helped me pay off debt when in reality I paid it off by working FOR YEARS. He doesn't say it as something he's proud of, but something I owe him and haven't "thanked" him for (?). He is extremely stubborn and old enough to definitely not remember things well.
He does this kind of thing with my siblings as well and it's come to the point where we feel that all we really were for our father was a money burden, be it true or not that he helped us financially at some point. How can I come to terms with the fact that he's not gonna acknowledge the truth no matter how many times I explain it to him, despite the anger and frustration I feel towards him for claiming something he actually DIDN'T do for his kid while minimizing my own work and effort?

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[-] HubertManne@moist.catsweat.com 12 points 4 days ago

I have seen this quite a few times in young and old. Which makes me doubt my own memories bt I do get corroboration from other folks. I am sorta obsessed with truth and I am convinced that when you lie you essentially can't help but believe it to some degree and I truly believe that every time you lie you will limit your ability to see reality. This is very disturbing because no one can avoid lying 100% over decades of life it means that pretty much none of us can live 100% in reality. I mean maybe but its impossible to tell how well one can avoid their own dishonesty in life from warping their own memories. Anyway its why I try as much as possible to be honest. This is all my own beliefs though. There is another thing I have heard and im not sure how much study is behind it but supposedly every time we recall a memory we alter it. Ugh. My thought is the more you lied around the event the more likely the alteration will be towards the lie.

[-] Pherenike@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 days ago

Thank you for this!

[-] cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca 1 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

The thing about lying and becoming to believe it is a real psychology thing, I just can't remember what it's called. In other words, this is a thing and happens.

Edit, chatgpt to the rescue:

The psychological term for when someone lies about something for so long that they convince themselves it is true is confabulation or self-deception, depending on the context.

  1. Confabulation

This is often used in clinical psychology and refers to the unintentional fabrication of memories without the intent to deceive. It commonly occurs in individuals with memory disorders, such as Korsakoff syndrome or brain injuries, where they genuinely believe the false information they are recalling.

  1. Self-Deception

This term refers to the act of convincing oneself of a truth that aligns with their desires or beliefs, even when there is evidence to the contrary. Unlike confabulation, this process can be more deliberate at first but eventually becomes internalized, leading the person to believe their own fabricated story.

  1. Illusory Truth Effect

This phenomenon occurs when repeated exposure to a lie or false statement makes it seem true over time. It isn’t necessarily a conscious process and can influence both the liar and their audience.

The specific term depends on whether the process is intentional, pathological, or a natural cognitive bias.

[-] rivvvver@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 4 days ago

please double-check chatgpt's answers before posting them as facts. chatgpt does not know what it is saying, and often hallucinates false information.

its good for making nicely-written texts, not for researching anything important

[-] cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca 3 points 4 days ago
  1. How do you know whether I did or didn't double check if I didn't say whether I did or not?

  2. The chatgpt piece just is basically an add-on to what my main point was and isn't really super important... For anyone that really truly cared to dig into it, they're free to research on their own.

[-] rivvvver@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 days ago
  1. i never claimed whether u double-checked or not.

  2. i know, but still i think its important not to make it seem like posting chatgpt responses without oversight is okay.

if u normalize listening to ai hallucinations in any situation, people (especially tech-illiterate people) are going to replicate that behaviour in more important situations.

[-] HubertManne@moist.catsweat.com 2 points 4 days ago

Yeah I still refer to it as a belief for basically two reasons. One is that soft sciences are usually a bit more indeterminent but more importantly I believe this always happens to some degree regardless of the individual and one can possibly be really center and cognizant and keep it to a minimum effect but if one is to live within a context of maximum reality they need to minimize any lying or deception in their lives. Of course that won't help you society or government not running based on reality.

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