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[-] maegul@lemmy.ml 17 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

You're the "Old World" now.

It's basically been ~~350~~ 250 (edit: correction) years now since US independence, and a decent while now at being a global power (~100-150 years?). These are timelines akin to that from the European Renaissance to the US Revolution (~1400-1800) and the UK emerging from the 1500s to being the "super power" in the war of independence.

Now, with the world's oldest constitution, and probably, depending on who you talk to, an increasingly critical mass of antiquated ideals and systems, the Presidency is more like the Monarchs of past revolutions than what remains of those monarchies, and the US's ideals and cultural influence something which most would rather move on and upgrade from.

Generally, I'd say it's one of the weirder and subtler historical events happening right now: the dissolving of the old lines between the "old" and "new" worlds. For me personally, this was once made clear when visiting Hannover, Germany, and its tourist attraction, the "New Town Hall", where someone who lives in British Columbia, Canada pointed out the similarities with their Parliament Building. The thing is though that the Canadian building is about 15 years older (both being just over 100 years old). Colonialism is long enough ago and Europe (and likely any other "old" culture, such as China) rebuilt enough and recently enough, that like X-genners and Millennials, the whole "young, hip, cool rebel" thing just doesn't mean anything anymore.

[-] ComradeMiao@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 2 days ago

Just correcting small typos. US has been independent for almost 250 not 350 years. Global power for 150ish but the global power for 70ish years :)

[-] maegul@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Ha yes, thanks … though, without knowing, I’d wonder how early you can push the global power part (thus the question mark). Post-war (your 70 years) is clearly a “the global power” status. But how early could you say the US was at least one of the major powers?

[-] ComradeMiao@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 days ago

That’s an interesting question of which I’m ignorant. Your original comment may have been right though. It might be helpful to say a global power fights wars outside of its border and potentially colonizes. The first time the USA did that was the first Barbary war in 1801. Would you agree?

[-] maegul@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 days ago

Yes they seem like reasonable metrics to me. But like you I don’t really know how to answer the question. But relative economic strength and influence are likely factors. So the post civil war gilded age would also been a likely point, which was the origin of my 150 yrs estimate. For 100 years, I figured post WWI was a pretty clear moment of relative strength.

[-] ComradeMiao@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 days ago

Then I apologize for my wrong correction but I learned something with you through it :D

[-] maegul@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 days ago

No worries at all!

Also, I didn’t know at all about the Barbary Wars (and was quite surprised to hear of such a far flung US military engagement so early)

[-] ComradeMiao@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 days ago

They were sick of paying pirate taxes!

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