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I mean functionally we are slaves there's just no physical punishment for not working. Instead you just lose everything you worked for.

I'm gaming more and working more. I work more because everything is expensive af and just keeps going up. I'm gaming more because my job requires talking to hundreds of people a day so I like to just sit in silence mindlessly playing games

[-] punkisundead@slrpnk.net 4 points 1 year ago

I mean functionally we are slaves there’s just no physical punishment for not working.

I feel like this not really the only difference between slaves and relying on wage labor to survive. Comparing wage labor under capitalism with slavery seems really inconsiderate to me because slavery in many places was not just forced labor.

The article here complains about young men gaming more so they work less and somehow this gets compared to slavery. Sorry but WTF

That's why I said functionally. Like yeah I know I'm nowhere near enduring what actual historic slaves did.

I'm simply breaking it down to "forced to work without consent" and you could argue that I have the ability to not consent and therefore not work.

But wouldn't ya know it food water and housing all cost money! And wouldn't ya know it the people that sell these things are the same people that sign my paychecks!

I have to work for the money just so I can give that money right back to my employer. When slavery was first abolished in America slave owners created sharecropping. Where you're still functionally a slave but technically you're not you just have to keep working in order to afford enough money to pay for the "housing" they provide. You have to eat but they deduct every bite taken out of your pay.

This is what is happening to a large number of people in modern day America the only difference is you have the illusion of choice between employers. Even though most of those employers will do practice the exact same policies.

This is all coming from someone who's poor af who lives paycheck to paycheck because prices keep going up while my wage stays the same causing me to not have any real life outside of work because I can't afford more than 2 days off a week.

I am functionally a slave. I'm a well treated slave but still a slave.

[-] punkisundead@slrpnk.net 1 points 1 year ago

Somehow you are only focusing on slavery as tool to exploit bodies for work and not also as a tool of white supremacy and the connection between both. And that is in my opinion a large part why the comparison just feels so inconsiderate to me.

Yeah but you forget that the same systems that bolster white supremacy also works against poor white people.

So me.

Plus I'm talking about slavery in general not just "black people bad" slavery. Slavery without racism I should say

[-] AfricanExpansionist@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

Settled agricultural society is coercive at its core, and requires slaves. Money is simply a tool for keeping slaves in line.

[-] Vampiric_Luma@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 year ago

We are slaves, but in a widely interpret-able sense such in that we are slaves to our desires or materialism. That can be overcome to a degree, although I understand not wanting to and you shouldn't have to.

What I'm referring to is Justin's wording and how it implies we are working-class slaves to serve societies needs rather than our own first. Like, I wish your situation was better, but I'm glad you have something to fall back on that keeps ya truckin' another day ya know? It feels like Justin expects you to reduce gaming and work more because "the numbers". We're humans! We have needs!

Like fuck, I re-read the limited article and he's actually saying he's interpreting one of his own sources:

... the survey doesn't differentiate between electronic and non-electronic games, but most researchers assume it's chiefly the former...

What researchers? It's never cited. (or is it..?) This reads like rhetoric stink meant to farm anxiety and outrage from out-of-touch, financially-invested old farts, but again I can't even read the article and clicking anywhere on web.archive causes the entire page to disappear q.q

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