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France to ban female students from wearing abayas in state schools (www.bbc.com)

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Pupils will be banned from wearing abayas, loose-fitting full-length robes worn by some Muslim women, in France's state-run schools, the education minister has said.

The rule will be applied as soon as the new school year starts on 4 September.

France has a strict ban on religious signs in state schools and government buildings, arguing that they violate secular laws.

Wearing a headscarf has been banned since 2004 in state-run schools.

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[-] CookieJarObserver@sh.itjust.works 21 points 1 year ago

Nope. You aren't allowed to have religious shit on you in general public in france.

[-] SCB@lemmy.world -2 points 1 year ago

Yeah and that's fucked up and oppressive

[-] CookieJarObserver@sh.itjust.works 12 points 1 year ago

No its the opposite.

[-] SCB@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Nah you just agree with the oppression

You're like a Trump supporter in the US talking about "freedom" but then getting angry at trans people. Your side even uses the same arguments - "they don't have the right to teach their children to be this way!"

It's all oppression.

[-] bric@lemm.ee 16 points 1 year ago

This. The whole point of freedom is that every person gets to choose for themselves, and the government should be preserving that choice and limiting elements that take choice away. It's morally reprehensible to support choice only when it's choices that you agree with, that's how state religions became a thing in the first place.

[+] Mdotaut801@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

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[-] bric@lemm.ee 7 points 1 year ago

Another commenter mentioned how similar some of the arguments are with far right anti-lgbt arguments are, and I don't think there's a better example of it than your comment. "I don't want to ban it, I just hate it and don't want to see it, so let's ban it from anywhere I could run into it". " 'You say freedom to love you you want' I say 'You're putting it in my fucking face and letting LGBT activists decide laws that directly affect my family and I'. Get that gay shit out of my face. Sick of it". Don't you see how that type of rhetoric can be problematic?

I'm sorry, but you're going to run into people in the world that do and say things you don't agree with, that's part of life. If you want to fight to keep it out of government and laws, I'll be fighting right there with you, but once you extend it to people you're just silencing and oppressing. Freedom is even more important when you don't agree with the choices people are making, if you can't agree with that then I don't want to be anywhere near the "free" world you help build

[-] Honytawk@lemmy.zip -2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I mean, the bible itself says that practicing christianity should happen behind closed doors. [Matthew 6:5 & 6:6].

[-] assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Wearing a cross necklace is hardly flouting that.

[-] bric@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

What does the bible have to do with laws banning Muslim clothing?

[-] Project_Straylight@lemmy.villa-straylight.social -3 points 1 year ago

You'll be in for quite the surprise when you learn how these fundamentalist muslims think about trans rights

[-] SCB@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Im pretty sure I can advocate for freedom for everyone everywhere and not run afoul of any hypocrisy, because I'm an adult capable of thinking.

[-] Project_Straylight@lemmy.villa-straylight.social -1 points 1 year ago

Yeah you sure can advocate for people to be free to hate trans people and indoctrinate their children with it. You can sleep easy

[-] Guntrigger@feddit.ch 3 points 1 year ago

Force them to wear some different clothes, that will make them tolerate trans people more.

[-] Project_Straylight@lemmy.villa-straylight.social 1 points 1 year ago

Seeing where this comment thread originated: do you believe Trump supporters will stop hating trans people faster if we allow them to wear their religious uniforms?

[-] Guntrigger@feddit.ch 1 points 1 year ago

I don't think there's a law against MAGA hats.

[-] SCB@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Yes people are allowed to hate anyone they want. What they're not allowed to do is act on that hate.

[-] Project_Straylight@lemmy.villa-straylight.social 0 points 1 year ago

So you want to have people teach their kids to hate and promote violence and then you're going to stop them when they physically act on it. Seems to me you want to sit on your high horse while the world around you gets worse

[-] SCB@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

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