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submitted 2 years ago by tux0r@feddit.de to c/technology@beehaw.org

Everyone (and their mother) have been trying to convince me that I should use one of my less loaded servers to be a Fediverse node. However, all Fediverse software packages I checked only support being installed on complicated systemd + Docker machines. My servers don't have either of those, because neither systemd nor Docker even exist on OpenBSD and illumos.

I know that it would be possible to manually install (e.g.) Lemmy, assuming that I won't ever need official support, but I wonder why the world outside a limited subset of the Linux ecosystem is - at most - an afterthought for Fediverse developers.

How can I help to change that?

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[-] dan@upvote.au 3 points 2 years ago

It's "annoyingly hard" because you're not using modern tooling. If Docker is unavailable on your preferred OS, then that OS is stuck in the past. Simple as that.

Docker makes it easy to install a program, including all its dependencies, in a repeatable way. Since you're familiar with BSD, it's similar to jails except with better isolation, fewer security holes/issues, and the software you want to run is preinstalled. Docker containers are essentially mmutable which makes upgrades easy - just throw away the old container and replace it with the new version. (persistent files are stored separately, in "volumes")

You can of course manually install the same software by looking at the Dockerfile and manually performing the same steps, but there's no guarantee that it'd work well on an unsupported OS.

[-] tux0r@feddit.de 1 points 2 years ago

It’s “annoyingly hard” because you’re not using modern tooling.

Calling Docker "modern" is a stretch, as it's not much more than glorified Solaris Zones, but please enlighten me: Which feature of a federated web application requires modern tooling?

Since you’re familiar with BSD, it’s similar to jails

OpenBSD does not have jails.

except with better isolation

How so?

fewer security holes/issues

Actually, not using Docker prevents a number of security holes/issues.

and the software you want to run is preinstalled.

If you grab an image with it. You could as well just grab a tar archive with it... with less side effects.

Docker containers are essentially mmutable which makes upgrades easy

And security patches impossible.

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