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Suddenly seeing more hexbear posts. Did we re-federate with them?
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Rowdy and very active left-leaning instance which recently rejoined the rest of lemmy. They tend to be very vocal in calling out racism, sexism, homophobia and other forms of bigotry, which has made certain users very angry. On the other hand, some of them seem to be very tolerant of certain authoritarian countries, which makes a certain other group of users very uncomfortable.
Left leaning? Every post I saw from them before finally filtering the instance was heavily right leaning and filled with everything you just claimed they are against.
The left right thing sometimes feel more like a circle and if center was at one end of the circle then tankies and the alt-right would be at the other end pretty to close to one another. They both want to own the people that are closer to center, they both have a love affair with Russia, they both deny genocides, they both believe in authoritarianism...
Yes, it's Kremlin/CCP propaganda. Both use social media to divide democracies. Divide and conquer on social media.
Yup, horseshoe theory. At a certain point, it's hard to tell authoritarians apart. I.e. why do you hate LGBT folks?
Different justifications, same net result. So on LGBT issues, I can't tell Stalin and Hitler apart. The same goes for a surprising number of other policies.
Left wing as in socially and econimically. Not sure what you mean by right wing.
They're communists, are very trans friendly, and deny genocide.
No they're not. They're damaging to socialist causes if anything.
Communists are often damaging to socialist causes.
Do you have any links to prove this right leaning behavior?
No, because I filtered the entire instance after the 4th "OwN duh LiBs" post.
They consider liberals too right wing, that's why they want to own them iirc
This is correct. They're way too the left of US liberals and are generally sick of the domination US liberals have in US politics. (The same can be said of the UK.)
FWIW i'm mostly with them on this. I'm an anarchist and also far left, though i didn't join their instance when i came to lemmy (obviously).
Unlike all those right wing LIBERALS. We do our own things. Denying genocide
As in it never happened? Because I've got a bridge for sale if so.
Well can you at least explain what was right wing about what you saw?
Bros unironically don't think liberals are right wing. What do you think they'll have to say? Right wing is when you shout "Death to Israel?"
Lol what are you even trying to say? The incoherence is funny considering you’re from a literature instance
What do you find confusing? It's a pretty simple statement.
Who is “bros”? If it’s hexbear, im pretty sure hexbear does consider liberals right wing
Opposing a genocidal ethnostate is right wing?
"Bros" are the people you are talking to, who are complaining that the hexbears call capitalists right wingers. The hexbears consider liberals right wing because they are.
The second is an example of something a hexbear might say that someone who doesn't know anything about politics might interpret as right wing thought.
This should be extremely clear to a reader who understands both the current discussion and underlying basic theory, unless they just assume anything they can't parse is an attack and lash out in attempted retaliation.
Consider requesting clarification in the future before you resort to personal attacks. Especially ones that say much about you, and not much about the person you are attacking.
You were responding to me asking about what was right wing about hexbear. Was it not reasonable that I assumed your response was referring to hexbear? Your reply was vague to the point of incoherence and I pointed it out, im not going to save your feelings in a thread where people are defending capitalism.
Anyways it seems we agree about opposing liberals from the left and opposing Israel so I’m going to disengage after this. Genuinely, have a good day!
Are you kidding? They unironically are fans of Stalin and other left wing ideologues. I have never seen a hexbear user who was anything but left wing.
To me it seems more like creative interpretation of everything as those things if it doesn't fit with their groupthink. It's not "calling out" if they're abusing it as a general purpose weapon, that's just bullying.
But bigots should be bullied until they shut up. No one has a right to treat others as subhuman. I often see casual bigotry on lemmy and other forums, and this is probably the first time I'm seeing such an active resistance. Hexbears are definitely blind to bad things when they are done by certain people, but they are 100% right in pointing out bad things done by everyone else.
That's not what I was talking about though. From what I've seen it seems like the average hexbear user's definition of a bigot is everyone who disagrees with them. So this isn't about bullying bigots, it's about using the concept of a bigot as an excuse for bullying.
This isn't what I've seen so far. But I guess we'll see, going forward.
Yes, they're CCP LLMs and useful idiots emphasizing social tension in democratic countries in order to cause instability.
If you think calling out racism, sexism or homophobia is 'emphasizing social tension in democratic countries', then you should take a long, hard look at what sort of person you are. And who cares who they are; they are doing good work making bigots shuts up.
Do you actually think that's what I was saying?
I completely support calling those thing out in an unbiased and constructive way. Hexbear does neither, it's intent is to create division, there is no shared vision of harmony.
I can only read what you write. If you meant that Hexbears are being selective in what they call out, fair. Sorry I misunderstood you.
Which ones?
China, mostly. But some of them do shill for russia too.
And North Korea...
But why? What's the motivation?
USA bad = anti-USA good
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Doesn't help that leftist intellectuals don't do their damn research and blame NATO for the Ukraine war. Popular intellectuals really sound dumb the second they step out of field. Like Richard Dawkins not understanding transgender people and trying to frame it as "just asking question."
China is a "successful" example of a "communist" state and for young people attracted to communism that's kinda all they've got. Not a good approach imo, China fucking sucks.
China is NOT communist.
I actually agree but here we are.
Eh, Cuba is a decent example, but they never seem to talk about it too much. China is absolutely not communist by any means. They can call it anything they want, but they have the 2nd most amount of billionaires in the world right behind the US. They are capitalist at this point with a few communist policies sprinkled in their government processes.
Cuba is a much better example, yes.
"Communism, like Soviet Russia" has three common responses.
1: Denying the country was communist, saying communism has never been tried.
2: Calling it a failure case, like how liberal democracies also suffer dictatorship.
3: "That was totally communism and that means it was awesome!"
/r/EnoughLibertarianSpam, /r/Politics, /r/ChapoTrapHouse.
Why are you asking these people about hexbear's positions, reasoning, and motivations, instead of asking hexbear?
Because to me, it sounds like hexbear is full of psychopaths and trolls?
yeah, but you're getting that impression secondhand
I think I'm comfortable with that
even though someone's telling you it's bullshit?
Nah, I've since had a little time to peruse hexbear HQ and it's a legitimate tire fire of a community