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submitted 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) by blue_berry@lemmy.world to c/fediverse@lemmy.world

Theory

A new decentralized social media paradigma, in which data of posts is used to gain some addional features (opt-in).

I would additionally differentiate between central and decentralized bots.

Collective posting means posting to a bot (centralized or not), which then determines which posts go out and how, based on data collected by the bot through earlier iterations of this process, determined by some agreed upon guidelines.

Anarachist posting means posting to the Fediverse, while at the same time collecting all of these messages via a bot (centralized or not), which sends the data back to the client, who can use it again for some calculation based on chosen processes. Examples

Let's see what that means if I want to post my cooking plan for the week.

Anarchist Posting

I post my fridge-content and what I want to cook. This information with all the other participants is saved by the bot and later provided to me as suggestions for my next cooking plan based on a process that I picked.

Centralized bot

The bot posts global suggestions what each participant can do better (for example to eat healthier), based on their chosen settings.

Decentralized bot

Its all done in my bot, which displays suggestions individually to me.

Collective Posting

I post my fridge-content and what I would like to cook. The bot takes this message in with what all the others want to cook and have and then decides what I get to cook and post it based on a distribution-algorithm that I have agreed to.

Centralized bot

One centralized bot calculates the perfect meal for everyone; or every participant but the message is posted globally.

Decentralized bot

Perfect meals are calculated decentrally based on the agreed upon guidelines.

In Sidekick

Anarchist posting: When posting through the Dolphin-bot, all posts are collected and then used on the client-side to provide suggestions to Dolphin-users.

Collective posting: With the Buzz Lightsting-bot, all posts done via Buzz are not sent immediatly, but collected at the central Lightsting-bot, shuffled and then sent randomly over the participating profiles at specified times.

(This is just an outlook, its theoretically implemented, but the client currently only supports being used by a single person ... it would also be nice to attach this functionality to hashtags ... its all a bit work in progress ;))

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submitted 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) by blue_berry@lemmy.world to c/fediverse@lemmy.world

Currently, there are six bots available:

  • Larry: Classic text posting: just post text
  • Spark: turns all text into uppercase
  • Ennui: produces low-effort posts (removes punctuation, makes it lowercase, introduces typos)
  • Jea: schedule posts by starting post with a hashtag and the number of minutes to postpone
  • Hamlet: adds a random Shakespear quote to the post
  • Legion: send out multiple posts by starting the message with a hastag with the number of repeats

You can select three of them and have them then available next to the post-button as a quick-select.

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[-] blue_berry@lemmy.world 38 points 1 month ago

What aren't they joining Mastodon and Lemmy? Or even Threads?

[-] blue_berry@lemmy.world 10 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I think multi-communities (which have already been improved for funding) will push Lemmy forward big time. https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/issues/818

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I know the issue has been answered before, but does anyone know if there exists some kind of work-around until the actual disable-image-upload is implemented in Lemmy?

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Hello, I wanted to ask what you have to do to be added to the join-lemmy.org page? Is there an email to call? The documentation only reads that you have to meet certain criteria, but is it then added automatically at some point?

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The fediverse is now something that you can evangelize about. Its turning into a buzzword ...

[-] blue_berry@lemmy.world 8 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Thanks for the explanation. Didn't realize Bluesky/AT is more like a fedi-washed version of ActivityPub rather than a real alternative ...

I'm not sure; on the one hand, I think the fact that federation has become a unique selling point in micro-blogging is indicating a positive trend; so even if people join Bluesky its good for the Fediverse. On the other hand, if federated just becomes another buzz word that means nothing at all, while places where the real innovation is happening are drowned out, the window of opportunity could just close.

[-] blue_berry@lemmy.world 12 points 3 months ago

I think its a cool idea. I had a similar idea once: https://fungiverse.wordpress.com/2024/07/27/floo-network-anouncement/ but for the whole social web instead of just Lemmy.

Its interesting, it could get overwhelming easily though. Maybe this could be solved by only showing instances of a certain size?

[-] blue_berry@lemmy.world 102 points 3 months ago

Even if it doesnt have much impact on activitypub-fedi, I think this is good news for the fediverse in general. X is loosing more and more relevancy and microblogging is more and more happening on federating services.

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[-] blue_berry@lemmy.world 16 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

You can already see how Meta will also use imagery to establish its centre-position in the Fediverse with its symbol for the Fediverse (it has a centre):

(from https://mastodon.social/@liaizon@wake.st/112139602260820054)

[-] blue_berry@lemmy.world 20 points 11 months ago

It’s fine if single instances do consent-based federation that prioritize safety over openess, but why should it become the default for all instances? It will result in instance protectionism and an overall decline in discussion quality. Making it opt-in means people will connect less likely with folks from other instances, meaning people will mainly stay on their instances, meaning it supports tribalism in the Fediverse. More safety usually comes at a cost, too. In this case: less interaction with other instances.

But if you federate with instances that you trust good enough in the first place, constent-based federation is not necessary imo.

[-] blue_berry@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I have to switch between subscribed/local/all feed all the time. That's why I proposed a mixed-feed, which merges Subscribed/Local/All feed according to users settings so you don't have to switch all the time.

I already created an issue: https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy-ui/issues/2137

[-] blue_berry@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

Just looked up what FANG means - what the hell does Netflix in there? Seriously Netflix doesn't do shit. Typical case of forced acronyms ;)

Without the fediverse a viable non-surveilled internet might not be able to exist.

I would agree. Mastodon made search opt-in. There will always be communities and users that refuse to be searchable and that should be fine.

[-] blue_berry@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

Me too but we are also on lemmy.world which is well moderated (and I think also has the resources to do so)

[-] blue_berry@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I think this is also heavily related to the CSAM issue, because

A.) Its horrible to read about in the first place B.) Its makes users more reluctant to browse content in general C.) It makes users more reluctant to browse content at work or in public places

I think that scared off many users (it also scared me off a bit). I think if Lemmy finds a solution to fight this kind of stuff and gives users some reassurance that the problem is handled will bring many users back. I think the importance of content moderation and SPAM defense should be the biggest learning points of the first Lemmy loop.

[-] blue_berry@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

Thanks! I did that also because sometimes these technicalities change (at least the not underlying ones). For example in many graphics you have still Twitter but its now X.

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