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[-] Nefyedardu@kbin.social 66 points 1 year ago

I just don't get the vendetta GNOME has against background processes. GNOME devs just don't use email clients, cloud sync applications, chat clients...? GNOME treats my Nextcloud sync app (which I NEED to be running at all times) as if it was malware or something.

[-] MonkderZweite@feddit.ch 38 points 1 year ago

Context for not-Gnome users? How does a desktop care about anything not desktop?

[-] Nefyedardu@kbin.social 35 points 1 year ago

If you minimize a window, it goes into a list of "Background Apps" in the charms menu where the only option you have is to close it. There's no native systems tray.

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[-] banazir@lemmy.ml 54 points 1 year ago

Yeah, if you need to install extensions to make GNOME usable, GNOME is not for you. Seriously, there are other options. I can't stand using GNOME, but they have a vision they are sticking to and I can respect that.

[-] mihnt@kbin.social 11 points 1 year ago

Cinnamon is probably the best DE to give that old GNOME feel. At least in my opinion.

[-] banazir@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 year ago

Gnome also has their own GNOME Classic for people yearning for the old GNOME experience. Cinnamon is probably better though.

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[-] wolii1@lemmy.world 52 points 1 year ago

I have used XFCE, KDE, and GNOME and in my opinion, Gnome provides by far the best the best workflow for me. The UI is very keyboard-driven, which makes navigation very fast and intuitive. Also it doesn’t look like an outdated Windows version (like Plasma or XFCE) and I had way fewer bugs with it than with any other desktop.

I find it interesting how everyone always talks about the „Unix philosophy“ („software should do one thing and do it well“) but at the same time everyone likes Plasma for having hundreds of useless, buggy features.

Gnome has a core featureset and a robust extension-system if you need more. There is no bloatware in Gnome. And please don’t tell me something like „Gnome isn’t usable without a taskbar/dock“. It is, lots of people use it that way, not every desktop needs to be like macOS or Windows.

Of course it’s okay to like another desktop environment more, but I just don’t get why Gnome gets so much hate.

[-] PotatoesFall@discuss.tchncs.de 24 points 1 year ago

I've used GNOME for a year now.

I don't understand people calling GNOME keyboard-driven, it doesn't even support keyboard shortcuts for more than 4 workspaces, and it doesn't support tiling other than left and right.

I also feel like the plugin system is not great. The plugins break on every.single.update and you have to beg the maintainers to update them.

I agree about a dock/taskbar miss me with that :P

What frustrates me about GNOME is that it's otherwise so well-polished and smooth but just refuses to be easily customizable.

[-] wolii1@lemmy.world 23 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Gnome is definitely keyboard driven, this is my workflow: Use Super + type name to launch apps, then tile them left and right with Super + Left and Super + Right. Two apps are enough for a workspace, if you need more, move to a new workspace using Super + Alt + Right. Gnome automatically creates new workspaces as you go, so you always have enough space. Swap between apps using Super + Tab. Almost like a tiling window manager, right?

The plugin system is indeed very good, extensions can do pretty much everything. They break on an update because it makes sense: The author designed the extension for a specific version of Gnome, and it can't be guaranteed that it still works as intended on a newer version. You surely don't want an outdated extension to really mess up your desktop when it hasn't been properly updated. This is the safe way.

And regarding customization? Funny story: when I started with Linux and I wasn't really into the meta yet, I started with KDE, but I switched to Gnome (GNOME 3.xx and GTK3) because I found it EASIER to customize. Gnome themes always looked way better than they looked on KDE and they were never bugged (e.g. missing contrast, wrong iconography). Also "extensions" were way less bugged than KDEs equivalent features. I only later found out that people preferred KDE because of its customization. However, I do agree that with Libadwaite, they really put an end to Gnome theming, but all in all, I think it's better because of app uniformity and an easier app development process (you can really see the Gnome app ecosystem flourish). Also, Adwaita looks pretty amazing nowadays, I don't really feel the urge to theme my desktop.

[-] nxdefiant@startrek.website 7 points 1 year ago

Heh, this is literally my workflow. I've been using gnome3 since release, and gnome2 before that.

They need to make the Audio switcher and gTile extensions part of "core" gnome, and then it would be perfect.

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[-] MashedTech@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

That's what I fucking hate about it, great extensions, couldn't fucking settle on an API that doesn't break every update. When will the gnome devs ever be content with themselves

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[-] jack@monero.town 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Gnome has a core featureset and a robust extension-system if you need more. There is no bloatware in Gnome.

Why is there noticeable delay tho when you open apps like Nautilus or Settings? Not even the terminal opens instantly

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[-] vox@sopuli.xyz 11 points 1 year ago

nah i think gnome is great for touchpad navigation

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[-] A10@kerala.party 35 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Exactly! Just integrate the bloody notification tray /running apps extension.

[-] igorlogius@lemmy.world 57 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)
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[-] gamey@feddit.rocks 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I get why that thing isn't implemented because it's really ugly and most of the icons there serve literally no purpose but they need a proper replacment because some apps simply need it!

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[-] MossBear@lemmy.world 30 points 1 year ago

I love vanilla gnome. I totally understand how some users prefer the flexibility of KDE, but a clean, minimal interface with easy access to workspaces is just the thing for me.

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[-] GenBlob@lemm.ee 26 points 1 year ago

I'm tired of GNOME messing with it's API but hopefully this is the last time since they're switching to a standard system. Besides that, it's my favorite DE on Linux. I have to give plasma 6 a shot when it comes out but right now GNOME feels just right compared to other desktops.

[-] MashedTech@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago

Haha, gnome becoming stable. What a bunch of malarkey

[-] nebulaone@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

Much more stable and polished than KDE and I am running KDE myself. I think it only makes sense to run GNOME if you like the vanilla experience.

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[-] PeterPoopshit@lemmy.world 23 points 1 year ago

The reason I don't use Gnome is because it's only usable after you've installed a bunch of extensions yet after every update, half the extensions are always broken.

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[-] VinesNFluff@pawb.social 21 points 1 year ago

GNOME bad

Plasma good

XFCE better

[-] littlecolt@lemm.ee 12 points 1 year ago

I couldn't get used to plasma. I dunno why. I really like the gnome style applications window over a start menu.

[-] VinesNFluff@pawb.social 13 points 1 year ago

Liking the fullscreen app search thingamafuck is your prerogative even if I feel this kind of UX is only at home on a mobile phone (also I'm fairly sure Plasma can also do that with some fennagling--)

The thing people (me included) detest about GNOME has very little to do with that anyway, peeps don't like how locked down it is and how it refuses to support certain features thought to be 'basic', so you have to use extensions.... Which can be janky on occasion -- And definitely will get abandoned by their creators and disabled when you upgrade GNOME version.

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[-] Nonononoki@lemmy.world 21 points 1 year ago

Funny, GNOME 45 will break every extension without exception

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[-] HiddenLayer5@lemmy.ml 19 points 1 year ago

GNOME is basically the Apple of desktop environments. "You're wrong to want this super common thing, we know what's better for you and don't you defy us!"

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[-] Windows2000Srv@lemmy.ca 18 points 1 year ago

Me, casually running Mate and enjoying on stable and customizable it is. I'll let you guys fight while I enjoy my polished experience!

I would love Wayland support tho...

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[-] baldingpudenda@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago

Setting up and adding things to linux until you break it is nature's way of teaching you linux. there's a bunch of other DEs you can try!

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[-] Barack_Embalmer@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago

I like Gnome because it looks sexy and sleek, and comes default on my Ubuntu. I have a little experience with XFCE and LXDE on Proxmox and Raspberry Pis, and they're perfectly functional and great, so I don't want to besmirch them. But they give me a kinda uneasy sensation like I'm using a tamagotchi or something. I don't know if this is only because I'm using them on low-power potato computers or without proper display drivers, but they just look a little crude by comparison.

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[-] ninsix@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago

base gnome + blur my shell is enough for me

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[-] Pfnic@feddit.ch 16 points 1 year ago

I just can't get used to GNOME. I've been using "classic" DEs for too long, so every time I try GNOME I start customizing it and end up withh a worse version of KDE

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[-] KingThrillgore@lemmy.ml 13 points 1 year ago

Gnome has been rudderless since 3.x. I said it.

Xfce has been my daily driver for a reason.

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[-] crispy_kilt@feddit.de 13 points 1 year ago

chuckles in i3

[-] zeriah@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

I'm not gonna lie, I really hated the direction that Gnome went after Gnome 2. Shell just felt way too constricting for my taste. Thankfully, Cinnamon and Mate released to fill in the void.

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