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[-] ekZepp@lemmy.world 88 points 1 year ago
[-] Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 1 year ago

I have seen that in a civ game....

Didnt end well.

[-] Zehzin@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago

In my experience, late game domination runs don't end well

[-] Legendsofanus@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 year ago

Just for information, how endgame is an endgame in Civilization? I assume at some point you do so well that you can't do anything else and all new nations must bow to ur immense nuclear power

It depends, but in civ 6 at least, if you don't go for science or culture, someone else will win those eventually. Usually you become so overpowered compared to the AI by the endgame that you're just waiting for the win screen to show up.

[-] Legendsofanus@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago

Oh so there is a win screen? For context I only played Civ V on java mobile. But I do have CIV 6 cuz Epic gave it for free

Yes, there are win conditions but you can play beyond those if you want. That never interests me, though.

[-] SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 year ago

I don't often get to the win screen in a domination game. Like I know I'm going to win... eventually. So I just lose interest.

That explains everything that's going on. Whoever was playing this game won the two big wars so everything pretty much got settled out so they gave up before actually winning the game.

[-] SpliceVW@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

You must not have enough nukes.

I had enough once but it was the lack of AA that turned my cities to ash.

[-] Comment105@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I ended up running a military campaign across the entire world because nobody would stop being hostile, then I eventually lost as my own cities rose against me.

It was my first Civ campaign, I played it in one go for hours upon hours until late at night.

The feeling of utter futility after complete domination is still memorable to me, it was such a strange feeling.

[-] Robaque@feddit.it 1 points 1 year ago

Fuuuck these are some saucy memes

[-] db2@sopuli.xyz 53 points 1 year ago

Capitalism is financial, fascism is political. They can be concurrently implemented.

[-] ssboomman@lemm.ee 39 points 1 year ago

Capitalism is a politicial and economic system.

[-] db2@sopuli.xyz 10 points 1 year ago

It's an economic system that seeks to control the political system enough to further itself with no thought or care for anything that doesn't fit that goal, in the same way a malignant cellular mass seeks to control the host environment enough to further unrestrained and out of control growth. Both kill the host.

[-] DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Economics is politics, and fascism must be concurrently implemented or it isn't fascism.

[-] Brazzburry@lemmy.world 49 points 1 year ago

Not even tough... just like... slightly inconvenient

Things aren't tough yet. Wait until the effects if climate change absolutely destroy our shore lines, food and water supply, etc.

[-] tomi000@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago

How is fascism a result of capitalism? It would exist just the same way without capitalism.

[-] chuckleslord@lemmy.world 51 points 1 year ago

The argument is that as more people are harmed by capitalism and realize it's flaws, the more likely the ruling class is to embrace fascism rather than let their ill-gotten gains slip away from them.

Definitely clumsy here, but I can make sense of it.

I mean, yes, but you should understand that when the creator of this meme wrote "capitalism" they really meant "liberalism" but didn't want to scare the normies.

It's not just about the ruling class, it's about uncertainty leading people to look for "strongmen" to provide direction and certainty, no matter how false it is, creating the popular support needed to overthrow democratic institutions.

[-] FaeDrifter@midwest.social 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Strongmen like Lenin and Stalin who provided direction and certainty in uncertain times?

Or a strongman like George Washington?

[-] DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

1: Anarchists and democratic socialists literally coined the term red fascism to describe Leninism.

2: Your examples all overthrew the rule of absolute monarchies, neither of which was quite exactly capitalist thanks to the owner class often being nobility.

3: Leaving aside for the moment that post-colonial America would absolutely be considered fascist by modern standards, even as its existence began to solidify the ideology of liberalism, I don't think the meme is literally stating liberalism becomes fascism the moment it stubs its toe.

If anything, based on the characters used, it implies the fight over institutional power as the fascists try to seize control.

And, ironically to authoral intent I assume, Superlib there would absolutely body Homelander lol

[-] FaeDrifter@midwest.social 0 points 1 year ago

Still doesn't make much sense, fascism is a populist movement.

It would make way more sense if it said Feudalism instead. Keep the peasants in line with your armed militia class, eventually murder-robots. The peasants might be miserable, but they're going to work the land because that's they're only choice to survive.

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[-] MeowZedong@lemmygrad.ml 11 points 1 year ago

Imperialism is a result of capitalism...

When the resources of your home country are insufficient to feed the need for constant growth of profits, the resources of other people begin to look attractive. It's just a matter of convincing your people that it's worth it to go take those other people's resources. Its easier to convince your people to exploit other people if you have dehumanized the other people, so you revert to racism and other tactics of making the others look like barbarians. Then you go make colonies and suppress the native population while exploiting them for labor and resources.

Fascism is imperialism turned inward...

Either the flow of resources from your colonies are insufficient to feed your need for the continual growth of profits or you don't have the means to colonize far away lands, so the resources of countries closer to home begin looking very attractive. Its easier to suppress people at home first, so you turn that imperialist oppression on for a portion of your population at home, exploiting them more than other parts of your population. This doesn't satisfy your needs for more resources for long, so you continue to exploit your own people more and expand the definition of who gets to suffer the imperialist oppression.

When your population can no longer satisfy your needs for continued growth of profits, you turn that imperialism on countries nearby. This process is why people say fascism is imperialism turned inward.

More food for thought...

Some argue this process is why Hitler and the Third Reich are looked on as the ultimate evil. The Nazis took imperialist oppression, a tool that every European country had historically only used on people in far away lands where the culture and the way the people looked was strange to the people at home and they turned that imperialist oppression on the white populations of Europe. Europeans finally began to experience the horrors they had been inflicting on the rest of the world for centuries.

[-] Franzia@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 1 year ago

Neoliberalism is agnostic to the form of government so long as profit keeps moving. Business is still done in the worst countries. And that keeps capital voting with their wallets for an increase in evil.

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