This text made me realise something: "defed or not defed" discussions are ultimately rushed.

Because at the end of the day, most Mastodon instances might defed Threads. Not due to Facebook's help in genocides or because they're a big corp, but simply because admins will say "screw it, 90% of rule violations come from Threads users, I'm not dealing with this shit."

I don’t think the people who are genuinely psyched about Threads on fedi are monsters or fascists, and I don’t think those kinds of characterizations—which show up a lot in my replies—are helping. And I understand that our theories of change just don’t overlap as much as I’d initially hoped.

And here's me, who frankly couldn't give two shits either way, and finds the excessive discussion quite absurd.

I mean, if the federated space stays small, no commercial company holds much value into integrating with it. Naturally. This is also why it's so transparent that for Meta this is a way to pre-empty legislation and restrictions in the EU by being "open"™️ with Threads.

But on the other hand if it does take off, Meta is really going to be the least of the protocol's problems. The sheer amount of commercial providers will be, including the very large like Meta, Microsoft and Google, up to thousands and millions of small providers that all build on purely commercial interests. Nevermind Apple's obviously incompatible version they'll make the only one you can install apps for on iOS.

Meta specifically? It's an early warning shot, either about a future of obscurity, or of commercialization.

The fact that Libs of TikTok exists on Threads shows their lack of moderation. That group's entire purpose is targeted harassment campaigns.

really nice writeup, but this made me curious, have any meta lawsuits resulted in jail time? pretty sure an individual wouldnt be able to get away with what meta has been doing

We should be black and white federate defederate we should establish some rules here are some i would like to submit:

No single direction federation No pushing ads

We also need something to prevent a single instance becoming a monopoly on the fediverse but idk how we are going to implement that

Honestly? I don't think Lemmy will even see 1% of Threads content. So I don't see why we're fussing over defedding here.

A couple counterpoints. First, there's no such thing as a public secret. They can get our data whether we like it or not. And there's not much difference between sharing your post through boosting vs just sharing a screenshot of your post.

It might be more productive to make a list of demands, rather than black and white defederation. Defederate until they have proper moderation, offer to federate as soon as they take proper action.