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[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

We need a serious effort to fork Firefox that can be maintained as a sustainable open source project. I know there are a few forks floating around, but they're small projects with only a handful of contributors. These kinds of efforts will never be a serious alternative.

A web browser is one of the most important pieces of software nowadays, and currently neither Chromium nor Firefox are true community efforts. We need something on the level of the Linux Kernel Foundation in my opinion.

[-] morrowind@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 years ago

Many people are upset about this, but it is in my opinion an excellent thing. Mozilla and Facebook are working together to improve one aspect of Facebook's privacy

It's not like Mozilla is shilling and getting paid off, as some people seem to think.

This is how privacy is really improved, by working with the companies and governments that have power in the space, not by sitting in your cave using only librewolf and tor, and refusing to use anything you don't build from source and self host.

That only helps you at best, and the privacy abusers (google, facebook) will just ignore you.

[-] HiddenLayer5@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 years ago

I see it as on the same level of a vegan advocacy organisation working with one of the biggest meat companies in the world. Sure, the vegan org might reduce the suffering of the animals under their control, but that shouldn't be their goal, complete abolishment of animal agriculture should be.

[-] morrowind@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 years ago

It's an apt comparison, but do you want complete abolishment of all forms of telemetry, tracking or advertising? Or perhaps more relevant, is that Mozilla's goal? I don't think so. See this post by them.

[-] sasalzig@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 years ago

Yes, yes and yes. And Mozilla have been selling out their user's data since the day they took money from Google.

This is honestly what annoys me more than anything about Mozilla: they pretend to be champions for privacy, but they aren't. And people fall for it. They are controlled opposition. They are the social democrats of the privacy world: channeling privacy supporters into their compromise (and compromised) position and painting the radicals as unreasonable dreamers.

If they were to finally die, that would probably be good for online privacy. A real non-corrupt free software fork of chromium could take off with built-in ad blocking and actually good privacy defaults. Firefox is sucking the oxygen out of the room right now.

Ultimately all tracking and data collecting besides what's absolutely necessary needs to be declared 100% illegal. I have no hope Mozilla will help in this fight at all.

[-] mukt@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

How is that supposed to work? Firefox's own products in itself are not that reassuring for user privacy. It was better when Moxie collaborated with them to improve whatsapp code. At least that guy's products were respected for privacy at that time.

[-] morrowind@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 years ago

Even if they don't live up to your standards, you can agree they are way ahead of the competition.

[-] mukt@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 years ago

Are you talking about Chrome?

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