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[-] Ibaudia@lemmy.world 178 points 11 months ago

Of course Linux is better for custom, purpose-built hardware. That's like, its main advantage for the commercial sector.

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[-] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 90 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Because Microsoft ain't gonna make Windows any better for this form factor until it is way late to the game, as usual.

Windows is basically a product for corporations now. Consumer Windows is an afterthought most of the time.

However, I could be wrong with Xbox's theorized pivot away from hardware.

[-] cm0002@lemmy.world 67 points 11 months ago

Consumer Windows is an afterthought most of the time.

Always has been

Windows is an enterprise OS with consumer features and macOS is a consumer OS with enterprise features.

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[-] Ottomateeverything@lemmy.world 19 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

I don't know that Microsoft has any business trying to make Windows support these devices better....

Windows is entirely built around two pillars:

  1. Enterprise support for corporations, and team machine management
  2. Entirely open compatibility so they can run almost any hardware you put into it, plug into it, and backwards compatibility for all that for as long as possible.

Portable game machines are not an enterprise product. Nor do you care about broad hardware support or upgradability. Nor do you care about plugging in your parallel port printer from 1985. Nor do you care about running your ancient vb6 code to run your production machines over some random firewire card.

Windows' goal is entirely oppositional to portable gaming devices. It makes almost no sense for them to try to support it, as it'd go against their entire model. For things like these, you want a thin, optimized-over-flexible, purpose built OS that does one thing: play games. Linux is already built to solve this problem way better than Windows.

But, Microsoft will probably be stupid enough to try anyway.

[-] TimeSquirrel@kbin.social 23 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Nor do you care about plugging in your parallel port printer from 1985

You haven't seen what I've been using my Steam Deck for. Gaming was not my primary motivation for buying it.

It's basically replaced my laptop. I carry a docking station, mouse, and full size keyboard with me. Eventually I'm gonna be using it for some robotics and remote control projects and other experiments. It's a full blown PC in a handheld, I mean, why not?

[-] Ottomateeverything@lemmy.world 12 points 11 months ago

That's great and I'm glad that works for you.

But most people buying portable gaming handhelds are not doing that. And the people looking for things like that are likely landing closer to a surface or standard laptop, which Windows already supports well.

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[-] Dudewitbow@lemmy.zip 8 points 11 months ago

windows optimized for handhelds is already a work in progress, its just not remotely done

[-] aniki@lemm.ee 25 points 11 months ago

Microsoft has never, since inception, been able to ship an embedded Windows that wasn't a festering pile of dog shit.

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[-] Sebbe@lemmy.sebbem.se 8 points 11 months ago

Windows optimized for anything seems to be pretty much impossible.

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[-] onlinepersona@programming.dev 50 points 11 months ago
[-] AnnaFrankfurter@lemmy.ml 43 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Thank you for making your comment licensed under creative common. I'll now steal it, repackage it and sell for 9.99$ without even acknowledging your existence

[-] java@beehaw.org 9 points 11 months ago

But will you train an LLM with it??

[-] Truck_kun@beehaw.org 9 points 11 months ago

But... it's a Non-commercial Attribution license. /s/ns

I'm joking, but on a more serious note for those that don't know, not all Creative Commons licenses allow you to monetize, and be sure to actually read which version of license is used if you plan to use a CC work for anything other than personal use.

[-] oce@jlai.lu 9 points 11 months ago

But at least you know you're a bad boy and Santa will know too.

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[-] qaz@lemmy.world 22 points 11 months ago

Why did you license your comment?

[-] Abnorc@lemm.ee 13 points 11 months ago

He doesn't want to let us use his comment for commercial purposes, which is a shame. I don't know how I'm going to pay for dinner now.

[-] PlantObserver@lemmy.world 7 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

You joke but when "media" outlets boldly steal 90% of their content directly from reddit posts and comments without attribution for commercial use, maybe including a license isnt crazy anymore?

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[-] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 44 points 11 months ago

My bet is that there's an Xbox handheld in the work and Microsoft is working on a Windows version just for it.

[-] FangedWyvern42@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago

They already have a Windows version for a handheld. The Xbox runs a modified version of Windows 11. All they’d need to do to bring it in line with PC handhelds is allow the install of third party launchers (they probably wouldn’t do this though).

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[-] carl_dungeon@lemmy.world 41 points 11 months ago

Cause windows sucks and licenses?

[-] risencode@lemmy.ml 24 points 11 months ago

Yes, the extremely popular handheld PC gaming market.

[-] freebee@sh.itjust.works 13 points 11 months ago

It's small, but growing very fast. While actual PC has stagnated, no?

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[-] caesaravgvstvs@feddit.de 20 points 11 months ago

As much as I love my steam deck and the os, I do wish it was slightly easier to install third party games.

I know it's not hard and I've installed plenty, but like it's so incredibly easy with steam that it's made me lazy to even install games I already have on gog

[-] natsume_shokogami@lemmy.world 40 points 11 months ago

It's not Linux or SteamOS, but both Epic and CD Projekt don't support their store client apps and launchers on Linux sadly, such we have to use unofficial ones such as Heroic Game Launcher

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[-] KingThrillgore@lemmy.ml 18 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

The problem that could occur is: Right now Microsoft doesn't care about Linux or competitors, every OEM has to buy a Windows key anyways regardless. If SteamOS actually becomes a shippable option, Microsoft's cavalier attitude is going to change quickly, and a lot sooner than it will take them to get an Xbox Handheld out the door.

[-] Sebbe@lemmy.sebbem.se 8 points 11 months ago

Why would an OEM need to buy a Windows license if the customer has no interest in using Windows?

[-] I_am_10_squirrels@beehaw.org 9 points 11 months ago

It's in their licensing, and how MS-DOS became the de facto operating system of early PCs. If you want to license Windows, you have to pay for every unit you sell - not just units with Windows pre-installed, but every unit.

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[-] DavidGA@lemmy.world 7 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

The deal Microsoft does with OEMs gives them a discount only if they pay Microsoft for every PC they sell, whether or not it actually comes with Windows.

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[-] BlanK0@lemmy.ml 15 points 11 months ago

Ideally it would be better to see eventually a variety of OSs based on linux, maybe forks of steamOS.

But for the time being, definitely adopting steamOS would be better.

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[-] BigTrout75@lemmy.world 15 points 11 months ago

Are there more than just Steam Deck?

[-] bjoern_tantau@swg-empire.de 27 points 11 months ago

The next Ayaneo handheld is going to use SteamOS.

[-] XTornado@lemmy.ml 16 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

To clarify, not an official Valve version, just in case somebody is wondering.

It's HoloISO or a modified version based on it, which is a Linux distro that bring most of SteamOS to other devices (except ones with Nvidia).

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[-] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 11 points 11 months ago

A bunch of them saw Valve say "We're coming out with a gaming PC that vaguely resembles an adult Nintendo Switch" and went "uh yeah us too!" I know Asus and Lenovo have one.

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[-] WarmSoda@lemm.ee 9 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

How many actual PC handhelds are there?
The link in the article that promises "plenty" of handheld examples talks about Steam deck, Asus, and... the switch. And that's it. And obviously the switch is not a PC handheld, so... ?

[-] wren@sopuli.xyz 20 points 11 months ago

There’s quite a few. Steam deck and Asus, as you mentioned, but there’s also AyaNeo, GPD, OneXPlayer, Aokzoe, Lenovo, etc. And many of these brands have several different models, if you’re counting individual products.

[-] TheOakTree@beehaw.org 7 points 11 months ago

MSI just announced their handheld PC too, it has an Intel (Meteor Lake) CPU with Arc graphics.

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