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[-] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 72 points 8 months ago

In two ways. They also killed the chances of further good deals. When they aren’t in power why would democrats ever want to negotiate with them

[-] tsonfeir@lemm.ee 37 points 8 months ago

Because democrats are willing to do their jobs.

[-] Psychodelic@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago

And here I thought Democrats even participating in a BS, "bipartisan" bill that only served to validate the xenophobia being put forth by the opposing party was appalling and a clear example of the utter failure they represent.

Then again, illegals is common vernacular now, so what the fuck do I even know, really.

I've voted for Dems my entire life, but you'll never catch me saying they "do their jobs". The party embarrasses me at nearly every opportunity; any support I have for/give to the party is despite its leadership, not because of it.

[-] tsonfeir@lemm.ee 2 points 8 months ago

Willing, and capable are different. They are politicians after all.

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[-] cyborganism@lemmy.ca 24 points 8 months ago

The last time they had a majority (first mandate of Obama if I recall?) they tried to work with the Republicans in good faith and they got nowhere so fast that the public voted them out from dissatisfaction.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but that's how I remember it.

[-] frezik@midwest.social 4 points 8 months ago

The health care bill contained a series of things that are broadly popular when they were laid out individually. Package them together and call it "Obamacare" in the media and it was suddenly unpopular.

Tea Party astroturfing can't be understated, either. The GOP grabbed back power at just the right time to be able to gerrymander districts and then keep them gerrymandered up until now. We're only beginning to erode that back.

[-] ultranaut@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago

It was a one person majority in the Senate that only lasted for a brief amount of time and was gone once healthcare reform ate up all of the time before Ted Kennedy died. They basically took what Mitt Romney had done at the state level and applied it federally, which is what Republicans claimed to want before they decided to call it Obamacare and pretend they didn't help craft it.

[-] dhork@lemmy.world 10 points 8 months ago

Because you need 60 votes to do anything in the Senate.

[-] admiralteal@kbin.social 18 points 8 months ago

Only until the instant the Senate takes a simple majority vote to lower it to 50.

While the Senate has historically been a useful bulwark for pushing back against the creeping fascism of the GOP, it's also a matter of fact that it is an antidemocratic institution that in the longer term we're better off minimizing or eliminating. It's the House of Lords and we do not need a House of Lords in the modern era.

Though I would like to see proper reapportionment in the House of Reps first, including adding significantly more members.

[-] JoBo@feddit.uk 7 points 8 months ago

While the Senate has historically been a useful bulwark for pushing back against the creeping fascism of the GOP

Has it?

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[-] Diplomjodler@feddit.de 1 points 8 months ago

But muh states rights!

[-] Tremble@sh.itjust.works 9 points 8 months ago

Because corporate dems are basically republicans. Our whole political system is right of center. With a few outliers.

[-] xenomor@lemmy.world 4 points 8 months ago

Have you ever listened to Democrats? The leadership keeps saying that they believe we need a strong Republican Party for some reason.

[-] kandoh@reddthat.com 4 points 8 months ago

Imagine the soundbites if they said they wanted to destroy the opposition party.

[-] BakerBagel@midwest.social 1 points 8 months ago

GOP talking heads say the same thing all the time

[-] Daft_ish@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago

The GOP had a sign that said "we are domestic terrorists." Can we stop caring what these radicalized disruptors think? Anyone who claims to be a moderate at this point is not welcome in my house none the less would I want to be on the same side as them.

[-] Pronell@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago

For better or worse we have a two dominant party system, which totally breaks down when one party decides to go it alone and only advance causes they can win with their votes.

That is a weak party, so divided internally they don't dare compromise externally.

If we don't have at LEAST two functional parties, it all falls apart.

[-] MotoAsh@lemmy.world 4 points 8 months ago

That sounds like an utterly stupid system that is fragile and easily manipulated... Go figure it's ours...

[-] Pronell@lemmy.world 4 points 8 months ago

I'm not arguing with that, but it's the system we have. We can modify it, improve upon it, or let it completely fall apart and be replaced with One Party Rule.

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[-] _sideffect@lemmy.world 32 points 8 months ago

Imagine overlooking the benefit to your citizens because you want your would be leader to do it instead.

And people still vote for these pieces of shit

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[-] ghostdoggtv@lemmy.world 30 points 8 months ago

Your mission, should you choose to accept it, is to throw this in every Trump voter's face any time they mention the border or national security ever again. They'll be back to know-nothing cockroach status again in 2025.

[-] athos77@kbin.social 4 points 8 months ago

Yeah, that'll work about as well as reminding them about the Reagan tax cuts, Bush's wars, and Trump's fuckery ballooned the national debt that they're always so "worried" about.

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[-] DarkGamer@kbin.social 27 points 8 months ago

The point was never to secure the border, the point was to make it look like Democrats weren't.

[-] ares35@kbin.social 18 points 8 months ago

it was a gift, and they tossed it because the democrats might look good for compromising and working across-the-aisle.

[-] oDDmON@lemmy.world 24 points 8 months ago

Pussies for Trump should be their catchphrase.

[-] TWeaK@lemm.ee 15 points 8 months ago

They lack the warmth and depth to be pussies.

[-] lobut@lemmy.ca 23 points 8 months ago

Voters are dumb as fuck or lazy. It should be a complete wipe out so many times over but the fact that it's even remotely close is crazy.

You'll have some person come in and say the usual: "the Dems can't work or get stuff done".

This type of thing some ensure none of them should work in public office again but the voters ain't gonna do shit.

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[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 15 points 8 months ago

The rest of us are admitting it in public, so maybe they should too.

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 7 points 8 months ago

The year is 2006 and Republicans are killing a compromise deal that they all admitted they actually liked.

The year is 2014 and Republicans are killing a compromise deal that they all admitted they actually liked.

The year is 2024 and the GOP is about to win in a landslide on the "Democrats never get anything done" platform, so I guess you can't argue with their results.

[-] Veneroso@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago

Idk if I believe that.

We're about to see a lot of "unlikely voters" turning out....

And to think, running the same guy who tried to cling to power with a self coup after losing the last election in a landslide to the guy you lost to 4 years ago who's supreme court justices "Roe is settled law" brought about headlines of suffering and skyrocketing teen pregnancy.....

Anyway remember that foreign policy is about power, not morality. And if "both sides are the same" no, one side is corporate shills and the other are fascist sycophants.

Not voting for Biden or Not Voting is a vote for the Christian Caliphate where white is right but only if you're a straight male. Everyone else can stay in the kitchen or go to the camps. History doesn't repeat but it rhymes

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[-] flicker@lemmy.world 6 points 8 months ago

My uterus is downright furious. I'm so glad it can't read or it might try arson.

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[-] ComradeKhoumrag@infosec.pub 1 points 8 months ago

So, these elections are basically down to independent voters.

Not the leftists that hate both parties and say they're independent voters

Not the libertarians that hate both parties and say they're independent

But the actual independents, especially those in swing states - that vote for either opposing party - is what these elections come down to.

And weve already seen how they voted in the midterms, despite a shit economy.

If it's Biden versus Trump, I'd wager it's a Biden win

[-] normalexit@lemmy.world 5 points 8 months ago

I hate both parties and I say I'm independent, as I realize they are both beholden to their corporate interests and lobbyists.

The system isn't designed for people with good ideas to emerge and change things for the better, but I like to think at some point in the future individuals like that could win outside of party lines. They have us all mixed up in these culture wars while the rich people keep on getting richer at an accelerated pace.

But you are right, I'm going to vote for my version of less crazy, along with everyone else, and we'll collectively go nowhere until the current crop of politicians age out or die.

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[-] snownyte@kbin.social 3 points 8 months ago

Is this the only good deal that they've ever acknowledged? All the other good deals that'd benefit Americans just weren't good deals in their eyes that they happily shot down, but this one was the exception to them?

[-] MotoAsh@lemmy.world 6 points 8 months ago

Yes. This was a wet dream for Republicans who want to dehumanize migrants. This was the only "good" bill in their evil twisted eyes.

[-] jballs@sh.itjust.works 3 points 8 months ago

Just wanted to point out if you've got a spare half hour, it's worth listening to the audio in the article where they interview Michael Bennett. He hits on a lot of nuances about the immigration issue that isn't often covered in most articles.

[-] athos77@kbin.social 2 points 8 months ago

Thank you, I wouldn't have listened otherwise!

[-] CleoTheWizard@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago

If you’re ever arguing with a relative, remember that this is the most unproductive House of Representatives that we’ve ever had. Ever. They’re barely even working in there. Why? Because republicans are sitting on their hands for everything

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[-] TengoDosVacas@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago

Its ALWAYS one vote short. The 60th voter- ONE FUCKING PERSON-fucked the entire voting popukation.

It is absolutely controlled opposition, every time.

[-] inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago

Yeah, yeah, yeah. We all know that Republicans are nothing more than fucking cowards that won't ever do what's right and will always bitch and fucking moan about how they know they're shit people when they're alone.

[-] Fox@pawb.social 1 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Another $14 billion to Israel

Another $60 billion to Ukraine

This bill was shit and we should be glad it's dead

War hawks cope and seethe

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