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Sweden officially joins NATO (www.nato.int)

submitted 9 months ago by zephyreks@lemmy.ml to c/worldnews@lemmy.ml

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[-] troyunrau@lemmy.ca 69 points 9 months ago

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[-] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 32 points 9 months ago

I blame the fact they built all these institutions with no clause to expel members, or which require total unanimity to do so. They really bought in to the whole "end of history" thing, I guess.

[-] troyunrau@lemmy.ca 22 points 9 months ago

Yeah, this is an interesting element. Historically, allowing all members a veto, while also having no way to expel a member, means that any such institution is liable to outside meddling. The classic example is the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberum_veto -- in the Polish Lithuanian Commonwealth, any noble could veto anything. So all it took was buying a few nobles and it shattered.

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[-] ComradeChairmanKGB@lemmygrad.ml 12 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

We (the western world) really needs to deal with Orban eventually.

Incredible display of chauvinism. Cause it's worked out so well every other time you westoids have stepped in to decide another countries leadership for them. Stfu and stay home before you collapse yet another nation and start the slave trade there.

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[-] Ho_Chi_Chungus@hexbear.net 53 points 9 months ago

the little "world tension" meter in HOI4 just went up by like 3%

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[-] False@lemmy.world 53 points 9 months ago

Rad

[-] lauha@lemmy.one 29 points 9 months ago

Russia uses RadAway

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[-] SevenOfWine@startrek.website 37 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Do you know why NATO annexed Sweden?

[-] Omega_Haxors@lemmy.ml 12 points 9 months ago

startrek website continuing to be the highest quality instance

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[-] muad_dibber@lemmygrad.ml 36 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

NATO still trying to finish what the nazis started.

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[-] negativenull@lemmy.world 35 points 9 months ago

Thanks ~~Obama~~ Putin!

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[-] REEEEvolution@lemmygrad.ml 35 points 9 months ago

It was a de facto member as long as NATO existed. Now it also is a de jure member too, a big nothing-burger.

[-] magic_lobster_party@kbin.run 19 points 9 months ago

NATO membership comes with guarantees and responsibilities.

The guarantee is that if Sweden would be attacked, other members will support with their troops. The responsibility is that Sweden must expand their military.

[-] REEEEvolution@lemmygrad.ml 11 points 9 months ago

The former won't happen. Sweden is sorrounded by friendly countries. The second is a downside for Sweden.

So globally it is a nothing burger and locally it is a negative development for Sweden.

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[-] dangblingus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 25 points 9 months ago

Guys will see this and say "hell yea"

[-] can@sh.itjust.works 25 points 9 months ago

hell yea

[-] SuddenDownpour@sh.itjust.works 18 points 9 months ago

I don't like the expansion of NATO, but due to Russia's recent imperialism, Sweden's and Finland's reactions are completely reasonable. A much healthier alternative would have been actually advancing towards an integrated European defense system involving EU members, with a door open to certain neighbours such as Norway, but it's pretty hard to do that when the political groups that could actually promote that alternative are schizophrenically tolerating positions such as "I'm a pacifist, so I'm advocating for my own country's disarmament despite my neighbours starting wars very recently" and "if Ukraine didn't want to get invaded, they shouldn't have sought guarantees against Russian aggression from third countries".

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[-] Oderus@lemmy.world 16 points 9 months ago

Fuck the tankies in here and praise UN and Sweden.