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[-] gibmiser@lemmy.world 165 points 9 months ago

Jews in Israel and internationally, please Stand up to your government. You know this is wrong. Kill the babies? Listen to what they are saying.

Your government is fucked up. You have let fear and revenge drive your country to madness. Look in your hearts, would a loving and just God want this? I don't care what any book says, look in your heart. You know this is wrong.

[-] CaractacusPotts@lemmy.ca 61 points 9 months ago

Every western government has been complicit in this genocide. USA most of all. None of this could have occurred had it not been for the funding and the diplomatic cover provided by our governments. It's up to all of us to make it stop.

[-] Aceticon@lemmy.world 18 points 9 months ago

Lets not include Spain and the Republic of Ireland on it, who have even tried to get the EU to sanction Israel for this.

But yeah, the rest are a disgrace, after the US especially Germany, who once again because of the etnicity of the aggressors, unwaveringly supports their committing of genocide along etnic lines and were the political and media "elites" even deploy Goebbels-style propaganda on this against its own populations. It was pretty dissapointing for me to see that whilst the national socialist party of the german worker is gone (though at the hands of others, not because it was kicked out by the Germans themselves), their cold violent racist ways are alive and well, at least amongst the German "elites".

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[-] PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee 41 points 9 months ago

Not exactly like every Jew is Israeli, in fact Israel is the one trying to force the narrative that they are, because it reinforces that narrative to those Jews when people actually do antisemitic shit

It's a settler recruitment strategy.

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[-] assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world 25 points 9 months ago

and internationally

Jewish people have nothing to do with Israel. There is no greater burden on them than us

[-] hannes3120@feddit.de 21 points 9 months ago

Perfect example of the antisemitism channeled by this war...

Same kind of bullshit of asking a random Muslim on the street to denounce IS when they bombed something...

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[-] PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee 89 points 9 months ago

"But if you call it a genocide you're an antisemite."

-AIPAC

[-] anticurrent@sh.itjust.works 66 points 9 months ago

If it came from an arab or muslim religious figure, western media mainstream media wouldn't shut up about it for weeks. but an Israeli figure calling for extermination of an entire ethnic group passes under their radar and keep giving moral and legal ammunition to Israel to carry on its genocide in Gaza.

[-] kromem@lemmy.world 34 points 9 months ago

Really? Because searching with the roles reversed I definitely see similar statements had been made but only see coverage by ideologically aligned sites:

https://m.jpost.com/diaspora/antisemitism/article-787452

https://www.timesofisrael.com/egyptian-minister-quotes-koran-verse-on-killing-jews/

https://m.jpost.com/Arab-Israeli-Conflict/California-Imam-calls-on-Allah-to-annihilate-Jews-500676.

https://www2.cbn.com/news/world/palestinian-authority-issues-call-murder-jews-tells-islamic-leaders-incite-violence

https://www.timesofisrael.com/kill-all-jews-urges-hamas-tv-host/

The only mainstream sources along a similar thread were within days of the Oct 7th attack:

https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2023/10/hamas-covenant-israel-attack-war-genocide/675602/

https://www.newsweek.com/hamas-terrorists-have-genocide-their-hearts-they-say-so-themselves-opinion-1834360

So it just looks more like the mainstream press isn't interested in reporting what religious zealots say outside of very narrow windows of relevance to major recent news stories (and even then rather sparingly).

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[-] cosmicrookie@lemmy.world 54 points 9 months ago

They are turning into Nazis arent they? And i thought iron sky was far fetched. Instead, the Nazis have just infested the Jews!

[-] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 30 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Always been.

There were (and are) many Holocaust survivors which refused to go to Palestine to kill people and steal their land. And actively speak out against israel

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[-] SecretSauces@lemmy.world 14 points 9 months ago

The irony is ridiculous

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[-] maculata@aussie.zone 45 points 9 months ago

Ah yes, genocidal fascism reappears. Marvellous. (Not)

[-] intrepid@lemmy.ca 44 points 9 months ago

People calling for genocide and murder of children are those who are far removed from humanity. They're a nasty burden that the modern society hasn't learned to deal with yet.

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[-] jabjoe@feddit.uk 36 points 9 months ago

There no hate speech laws this breaks? He's literally calling for violence on a group of people.

[-] SuddenDownpour@sh.itjust.works 29 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Israeli laws outlaws hate speech and "expressing support for illegal or terrorist organizations".[9] Section 173 of the legal code makes it a crime to publish any "publication that is liable to crudely offend the religious faith or sentiment of others."[29]

According to Wikipedia. The problem, of course, is that it won't be enforced as long as hate speech is directed against specific groups of people.

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[-] kense@lmmy.dk 12 points 9 months ago

He's saying the quiet part out loud...

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[-] Jollyllama@lemmy.world 32 points 9 months ago

This is a Jewish Israeli extremist. Dont judge all of us based on this abhorrent example.

[-] yarr@feddit.nl 46 points 9 months ago

This is a Jewish Israeli extremist.

... who teaches at a yeshiva that gets its funding from the Israeli government.... guess he's not so extreme he can't get government funding. Embarrassing. Even in the relatively thoughtless USA we would cancel that sponsorship in a second.

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[-] CaractacusPotts@lemmy.ca 13 points 9 months ago

I have taken pains to point out that Zionism does not equate Judaism. Three of the men from whom I have learned the most about this conflict are all Jewish, Noam Chomsky, Norman Finkelstein and Ilan Pappé.

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[-] corstian@lemmy.world 31 points 9 months ago

Yeah they have a fair history becoming the thing they fought against.

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[-] assassinatedbyCIA@lemmy.world 31 points 9 months ago

Really making that ICJ genocide case easy huh.

[-] njm1314@lemmy.world 31 points 9 months ago

Man if every one in the world judged every American based on what one crazy preacher said we'd be in some trouble.

[-] Mycatiskai@lemmy.ca 28 points 9 months ago

Well, the prime minister, the finance minister and the head of defense all have said similar things over there in Israel. At some point you have to believe that what they are saying and their actions are speaking for themselves and their words and actions are saying "no one is innocent and even if they were we are still going to kill them all so we can get the land."

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[-] phoneymouse@lemmy.world 28 points 9 months ago
[-] BleatingZombie@lemmy.world 21 points 9 months ago

Sounds like genocide

[-] jeena@jemmy.jeena.net 28 points 9 months ago

No need to call for it, they are already doing it.

[-] nutsack@lemmy.world 23 points 9 months ago

straight from the book of joahua in the old testament

[-] cosmicrookie@lemmy.world 22 points 9 months ago

Here is a list of the killings in Joshua.

The Jericho Massacre

Achan and his family are stoned and burned to death

The Ai Massacre

God stops the sun so that Joshua can get his killing done in the daylight

Five kings are killed and hung on trees

Joshua utterly destroyed all that breathed as the Lord God commanded

The genocide of twenty kingdoms

The Anakim: Some more giant killing

https://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/dwb/jos.html

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[-] kromem@lemmy.world 20 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

The book of Joshua is archeologically completely anachronistic and false in the Southern Levant.

The early Israelites have only been found to have been peacefully cohabitating with the Canaanites and Philistines in the early Iron Age after they emerged as a population.

Personally, I think like a number of the pre-Judahite stories, that this was coming from an Aegean/Anatolian sea peoples forced relocation into the Southern Levant that ends up absorbed into the Israelite history.

'Yeshua' in Greek can go as either Jesus or Jason.

The Argonauts allegedly had a prophet Mopsus that died in the desert as they traveled by foot from a conflict in North Africa (not long before one of their elite warriors was killed by a shepherd casting a stone from a sling, actually).

There's no walls at the Biblical Jericho at the time these events were supposedly taking place, but Mycenae around 1200 BCE has its walls fall down (and it seems not to have been an earthquake, which was a recent surprise).

There's no evidence of the Israelites being a bunch of tribes conquering nearby cities and certainly not several across an ancestral homeland, but the sea peoples were a confederation of different tribes conquering their various home cities (at a time of various natural disasters were conveniently undermining powerful kingdoms, which was likely a factor in why they were so successful and why this period ends up mythologized with divine interventions).

At one of those battles the sea people were described as being without foreskins. This seems to be the same one day battle against Egypt that Odysseus claimed to have fought right at after the Trojan war.

The parallels get really incredible when you dive deeper into some of them. The recent Aegean style pottery made with local clay in Tel Dan, the only apiary in the "land of milk and honey" importing bees from Anatolia and worshipping an unknown bee goddess, and the song of Deborah ('bee'), prophet and leader of the Israelites, talking about "Dan stayed on their ships" is super fucking interesting for example.

I think a lot of what we think we know about the Mediterranean at the fall of the Bronze Age is due to be turned on its head as the historians of antiquity like Herodotus, Hecateus of Adbera, Atrapanus of Alexandria, Tacitus, and Manetho end up validated with a number of things modern historians have been making fun of with an air of superiority (bizarre given the relative access to documentary and oral traditions and the relationship of that to the likely impacts of survivorship bias).

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[-] dangblingus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 22 points 9 months ago

Apostasy. The religion of Judaism abhors murder. That Rabbi should be defrocked.

[-] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 14 points 9 months ago
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[-] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 17 points 9 months ago

Only thing this obvious fascist is missing is the Hugo Boss uni

[-] SuddenDownpour@sh.itjust.works 16 points 9 months ago

Very normal country.

[-] JackGreenEarth@lemm.ee 16 points 9 months ago

This is what one guy said. It is not representative, as a lone data point, of all Jews, all Israelis, or the Israeli government. If you have more data points, feel free to share them, but this one Rabbi's statement doesn't prove any generalisation.

[-] WaxedWookie@lemmy.world 33 points 9 months ago

Serious question - where would we see signs of broad Israeli opposition to the genocide? I know Netanyahu is unpopular, but I don't think the genocide is a major factor in that unpopularity.

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[-] ShittyBeatlesFCPres@lemmy.world 26 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

I don’t think we should sensationalize one rabbi talking out his ass but there’s a lot of other data points. Itamar Ben-Gvir (Minister of National Security) and Yoav Gallant (Minister of Defense) say genocidal shit all the time. They’re not random rabbis. South Africa’s case before the ICJ included a lot of direct quotes from leading government officials.

I don’t know anything about this organization — I just found this on Google — but an NGO called Law 4 Palestine apparently has a database that seems to cite sources pretty well. https://law4palestine.org/law-for-palestine-releases-database-with-500-instances-of-israeli-incitement-to-genocide-continuously-updated/

And look: I know that Hamas and probably every other Islamic fundamentalist group’s leadership has said equally awful shit (and worse shit, for that matter). Some of the Israeli quotes came at an extremely traumatic moment. But this is bigger than one rabbi. I don’t think it’s be hard to establish intent if Netanyahu, Ben-Gvir, and Gallant end up getting tried for war crimes.

Edit: I just want to add that most Israelis (and the Jewish diaspora) do not support the current government at this point. They were having mass protests before Hamas attacked.

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[-] Chozo@fedia.io 17 points 9 months ago

Yeah because it's not like rabbis have any influence over a congregation of people or anything.

[-] Jimmyeatsausage@lemmy.world 12 points 9 months ago

I don't think he speaks for all Jewish people or all people in Israel...as far as the government goes...he might not speak for them, but he's definitely harmonizing. As far as data points go, I submit everything that had happened since 1967, with a very specific focus on the last ~5 months.

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