Outlook got updated on my iPhone last night and now they want me to agree to having my data shared with 807 partners.
Important note: I don’t use outlook as my primary email provider. I use Proton with a custom domain but I keep outlook for some old emails.
Ridiculous. How can someone write "we value your privacy" and then share data with 807 partners. If I share anything with 8 people I pretty much consider it public information already, unless I have a very good reason to trust them. Sharing something with 807 companies is probably less private than taking all that data, putting it up on a billboard, and placing that billboard next to the busiest place in town.
And what exactly qualifies as "legitimate interest"?
I'm legitimately interested in getting the bank account & sort code details of Elon, Bezos, Arnault, Zuckerberg, Gates, Ballmer, Buffet, Ellison, Page, and Brin.
That ist something I ask myself, too. It's so irritating, having to decline all these greasy fingered little fuckers one-by-one. That is just a way for me, nowadays, to delete the app completely.
807 is too big for a typical auditorium.
Imagine an auditorium filled to capacity with people standing at the back and crouching in the rows. At the front of the auditorium a Microsoft spokesman is saying "Ok partners, here's the confidential data. Make sure nobody shares it beyond this room. Ok, so David wrote a letter to his mother Nancy on March 2nd, which included the keywords 'prostate', 'cancer' and 'diagnosis'. If you'd like to use those words to show David some ads, go right ahead -- but make sure nobody beyond this room knows this confidential information. Next up is Martha..."
There is a monetary value in what you want to keep private, so of course they value your privacy.
It's not that they now changed something with data collection and sharing within the update. They always did it, all services free of charge do it and most that cost money likely take the extra money as well.
It's now that they tell you in a short and informative way (1st sentence) and ask for your consent.
What's really infuriating, are websites and services that have an "Accept All" button but no "Reject All". Instead you have to manage individually and sometimes I have to flip 30 separate buttons to disable data sharing, where they even call advertisers a 'necessary 3rd party' requiring interaction on top.
That was a loophole to the original GDPR. That's now against the law in the EU, but bringing cases against all these sites is time consuming.
Now they need to make asking for ID to access or delete data illegal.
I always flip the 30 buttons and then accidentally click Accept All because it’s in the place that I would expect the Confirm My Choices button to be and I am tired of looking at all the buttons and don’t read the most important one. I always tell myself I’ll slow down next time, but I’m just trying to get to the stupid website to read whatever stupid link I clicked on so I’m impatient every time.
This is by design. It’s called dark patterns.
Yep and I hate it
There are extensions for that.
In Firefox Consent-o-matic and Ghostry both do a good job in android and Linux/Windows.
I have no idea if they have that on iOS though given Apple forces browser makers to reskin Webkit.
"We value your privacy" in the same way my dog values a steak dipped in peanut butter.
I love how they just say "we value your privacy" and then list out half of their means of data collection. Microsoft ain't even trying anymore.
This kind of doublespeak has become the standard for corporate bullshittery.
At this point, ANY communication from service providers that starts out like this is just another way for them to screw you for profit.
They learned it from politics. Anything 'for the children'...
That's how they sold us the Patriot Act, 'for OUR safety'...
FUUUUCK it makes me so ANGRY I taste blood...
It's a typo. They meant to say "we put value on your privacy." As in dollars and cents.
chad europe union, to expose that shit
By value they mean how much they salivate about selling it for profit.
They want you to think that "to value it" in this context means "to have it in high steem". When it's more like "to put a price tag on it".
807 partners sounds like the answer to what's the point of ad blockers
Off course they "value" your privacy. They sell and profit so much value out of your privacy
Wait.. is this real or parody? At this point I can no longer tell...
Oh it's very real. Microsoft is one of the absolute worst companies for amount of raw data they hoover up.
Don't believe it? Try logging into the Outlook Web client with uBlock or uMatrix turned on and look at the number of requests it stops.
Reality has become parody. There's no difference anymore.
the reject all button should atleast be normalized
I wonder how many people haven’t realised that the new Mail/Outlook client, the one they’re pushing everyone towards in Windows, actually syncs all your mail to MS servers.
Yeah, Microsoft is trying to normalise the idea that your own personal email client should be open to them to access and steal your data so they can advertise at you.
Fuck windows and fuck outlook.
Thunderbird is free and entirely private on all platforms (And K9 mail on Android is also maintained by the Thunderbird team)
I have. Happily using Thunderbird now.
It used to be 797
800ish entities is not "partners".
"Partners" are people you could invite to site around a conference table with you. For it to be a partnership, you need to be able to have a meaningful discussion among all the different partners. 800ish is even too big for an auditorium where you're presenting to all your "partners". 800ish is a small arena.
Those aren't partners.
Reject All Button
At least there is one. Many apps don't offer that at all but make us go through hundreds of options and turn them off manually.
Until an update makes you do it again.
And again.
The worst. Usually an uninstall for me.
Took a screenshot and rejected straight away.
If you said to someone "can you keep a secret" and they said "I value your privacy, I'll only share your secret with 807 others", I doubt you'd be telling them many secrets.
Might as well just get your secret printed on a billboard and hang it up in town.
At least there's a "reject all" button.
That's GDPR coming through.
I think that my record is just over 3000 legitimate partners
Lmao you're personal info is getting a train ran on it 🤣 😂
At least it doesn't say "Accept all" or "pay (monthly)".
They did that before. They just didn't tell you how many partners!
It's been normalised for years, maybe decade. The only difference is that now they have to bother with telling you and asking for permission (which some still ignore completely).
Also, since we're talking Outlook, some mail client send your credentials to their servers to improve your user experience by fetching mails on their end, meaning that not only data from your device are sent to whoever paid for them, but your actual mails are free for them to access without you ever knowing. The new outlook on desktop does that, but outlook is not the only one to do this.
We live in the greatest of times.
What happens if you reject?
Does outlook stop working?
Your ads aren’t creepily specific to you anymore
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