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Trump Tells Atlanta Judge Lies Help Get to the Truth (www.thedailybeast.com)

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Donald Trump tried to convince a state judge to drop his Georgia election interference case on Thursday, summoning a tortured relationship between falsehoods and truths to make his case.

Trump’s lawyers argued that lies aren’t just protected by the First Amendment; lies are sometimes essential, his lawyers said, at getting to the truth.

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[-] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 86 points 6 months ago

Instead, Wakeford said, the judge must consider Trump’s band of misfits “a criminal organization.”

“It’s not just that he lied over and over and over again… it’s that each of those was employed as criminal activity with criminal intentions,” Wakeford told the judge. “What we have heard here today is an attempt to rewrite the indictment… and he was just a guy asking questions. Not someone who was part of an overarching criminal conspiracy for trying to overturn an election he did not win.”

A second member of the prosecution team also spoke up: John E. Floyd, the nationally renown RICO expert whom the DA hired to help her build this case against the former president as a racketeering mob takedown. Floyd told the judge that even if Trump's lies were actually true—and could be considered free speech—in actuality, he still took part in an overarching criminal conspiracy.

“For purposes of the RICO statute, it doesn’t matter whether that’s First Amendment conduct or not,” he said.

Oh shit. This looks like the start of the RICO phase, which would be incredible if they can manage to treat it like one big thing… because it is one big thing.

[-] dalekcaan@lemm.ee 42 points 6 months ago

Lies are Truth

War is Peace

Freedom is Slavery

Ignorance is Strength

Go back to whatever Orwellian hellscape you crawled from you traitorous fuck

[-] SkybreakerEngineer@lemmy.world 4 points 6 months ago

Alternative facts. Truth isn't truth.

[-] Granite@kbin.social 35 points 6 months ago

Fascist doublespeak 101

[-] photonic_sorcerer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 31 points 6 months ago

War is peace, slavery is freedom and lies are truth. Thanks, Republicans.

[-] n3m37h@lemmy.dbzer0.com 25 points 6 months ago

Lock them up!
Lock them up!
Lock them up!

[-] AbouBenAdhem@lemmy.world 10 points 6 months ago

Lies help get to the truth that the person telling them is a liar.

[-] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 8 points 6 months ago

Hey, if you're on board with trump this far then - sure, why the hell not. And a fried egg on top and spam.

[-] malloc@lemmy.world 8 points 6 months ago

It’s amazing how much coverage this guy gets on both sides of the aisle. Fire up your OTA and tune into your local news segment. Usually at least one story about this guy every day. If he’s not mentioned locally, then he probably has story nationally. Shit man, even the night show hosts constantly talk about him.

Doesn’t change with internet coverage. Always at least a dozen articles about this guy regarding outlandish posts on his blogging platform, various trials, shit said in trials.

We know he’s a piece of shit. Media outlet knows he’s a piece of shit. Yet they continue to push anything about trump because it gets the ratings/engagement.

Sad state of journalism rn.

[-] blackbelt352@lemmy.world 11 points 6 months ago

There's no real right answer to the situation. Deplatforming is an incredibly effective tool to reduce his reach, but deplatforming also only does so much when he can just create his own platform (like truth social, doing rallies) or other platforms just promote him harder in response to deplatforming (see OANN, FOX Newsmax).

On the other side, it's also important to shine a light on what he's doing, so he can't just go back to doing exactly what he's been doing without any public acknowledgement or challenge.

[-] hitmyspot@aussie.zone 2 points 6 months ago

The problem is that its less Abu Ing a light and reporting, more click and as generation. If trump was honestly reported without emotion and click bait and outrage, he'd be a joke. Instead the country is.

[-] blackbelt352@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

If trump was honestly reported without emotion and click bait and outrage, he'd be a joke.

Again until you run into the absolute informational silos that are FOX, OANN, Newsmax, Breitbart, Daily Wire, etc.

The people that watch those sources are almost exclusively getting all their information from those sources. To Murdoch its not just about the money and the ad revenue, its the control over public perception and opinion. So unemotive boring reporting just gets left behind as the more bombastic sensationalized reporting gets more popular.

Unfortunately journalistic integrity doesn't sway public opinion.

[-] rigatti@lemmy.world 8 points 6 months ago

Ok I've read the headline like ten times. That's not a sentence, right?

[-] Fridgeratr@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Headlines are really annoyingly hard to parse sometimes. It's saying:

Trump Tells Atlanta Judge: "Lies help get to the truth"

Which is pretty fuckin stupid

[-] rigatti@lemmy.world 5 points 6 months ago

Wow, thank you. It would be so much clearer if they didn't omit the word "that".

[-] Jimmyeatsausage@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago

It makes sense if your idea of truth is "whatever I say that they'll believe"

[-] Everythingispenguins@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago

Maybe it is Trump Tells Atlanta "Judge lies" HELP get to the truth.

Or Trump Tells Atlanta Judge "lies" help get to the truth.

Or Trump Tells Atlanta Judge "lies help" get to the truth?

[-] eran_morad@lemmy.world 7 points 6 months ago

Imprisoning traitors helps get to justice.

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