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Fedi Garden to Instance Admins: “Block Threads to Remain Listed” (wedistribute.org)

submitted 9 months ago by deadsuperhero@lemmy.world to c/fediverse@lemmy.world

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Server indexes of places for newcomers to join can be instrumental for Fediverse adoption. However, sudden rule changes can leave some admins feeling pressure to change policies in order to remain listed.

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[-] noodlejetski@lemm.ee 68 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

any other instance allowing all the racist, homophobic and transphobic shit that gets posted on Threads would be unanimously defederated by the biggest players on the Fediverse, and blasted all over the network under the fediblock hashtag, but Meta somehow gets the pass because... more number mean gooder?

[-] haui_lemmy@lemmy.giftedmc.com 12 points 9 months ago

Exactly. Fedipact for the win!

[-] iquanyin@lemmy.world 4 points 8 months ago

all i see on mine (i just tried it this week) is cute videos, artist videos, life hack videos, and amazing videos. seriously. it’s a lot like discuit. i guess it’s all in what you follow.

[-] noodlejetski@lemm.ee 2 points 8 months ago

https://lemm.ee/comment/10711318

[-] StevenSaus@midwest.social 3 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

I get this argument... but I keep seeing folks talk about Threads as if it's somehow an existential threat to Mastodon rather than "big crappy instance with asshats on it," and I don't quite understand how it's more than that... at least at a level that users and instance admins have any influence over. Can someone ELI5?

[-] Draconic_NEO@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago

It's because Facebook has been pushing their PR saying "We're not an alt-right cesspit, we don't tolerate alt-right trolling" people including right wingers believe them and repeat these lies, then they proceed to turn a blind eye towards right wing trolling and bigotry because they know that most of their audience are right wingers themselves (I mean that should be obvious since Facebook is known as the boomer platform because all the young people left elsewhere).

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[-] rimu@piefed.social 64 points 9 months ago

Fedi garden is just someone's website, they can put whatever they want on it. No big deal.

[-] Zaktor@sopuli.xyz 5 points 9 months ago

Yeah, I've never even heard of them before now and would have no particular reason to trust that what they mean by "good" servers aligns with what I'd consider "good" servers. This isn't like joinmastodon.org trying to strongarm instances to adopt their personal federation policy.

[-] DmMacniel@feddit.de 43 points 9 months ago

Even though I hate Meta, I can totally understand why admins are pissed at this change.

[-] Luisp@lemmy.dbzer0.com 30 points 9 months ago

Yes, fuck meta

[-] Badeendje@lemmy.world 19 points 9 months ago

No way! Little dictators exercising the power they have. But it is their platform, they can do what they want right?

This is probably the biggest threat to the fediverse.

[-] Deceptichum@sh.itjust.works 34 points 9 months ago

Threads is the biggest threat to the Fediverse.

[-] GlitterInfection@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago

Lets ruin it so they can't!

[-] Deceptichum@sh.itjust.works 17 points 9 months ago

Defederating from Meta won’t ruin it, it’ll protect it.

[-] GlitterInfection@lemmy.world 17 points 9 months ago

Bullying instance admins into aligning with your values is absolutely the type of behavior that will ruin this protocol.

Meta is evil and Threads is lame. And I can block them on my own, thank you.

[-] Deceptichum@sh.itjust.works 26 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

"Not linking to you on my personal website is bullying"

Give it a fucking break precious.

Co-ordinated action is needed to fight back against billion dollar companies, not leaving it up to individuals.

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[-] cosmicrookie@lemmy.world 19 points 9 months ago

They are not threatening the fediverst though are they? Just refusing to promote certain instances for newcomers. When I signed up, i wasn't really sure what I was signing up to but i did assume that not all instances were listed on that page that talked about them

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[-] mosiacmango@lemm.ee 13 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

The above is the core strength of the fediverse. Tinpot despots may have an advantage in the network due to previous efforts, but they can be routed around any time they go nuts.

This is a huge, huge win over the top down shitbergs that is current corporate social media.

[-] Badeendje@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago

I think this is true, but the fediverse (as an entity) needs to prevent too much power accumulating at one point.

[-] mosiacmango@lemm.ee 13 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

It ebbs and flows. Full decentralization would be ideal, but unrealistic. Power always consolidates, until it suddenly doesnt. Making it easy to leave when it "suddenly doesnt" is key.

[-] roofuskit@lemmy.world 13 points 9 months ago

Create your own instance and become your own little benevolent dictator.

[-] TORFdot0@lemmy.world 7 points 9 months ago

I am not in favor of transitive property defederation either but Meta will make similar demands if they are allowed to be an influencer in the fedi as well. I’d rather that everyone just decides to defederate threads independently

[-] million@lemmy.world 19 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Are any major Lemmy or Mastodon instances in Fedi Garden?

I was looking through the site and didn't see any instances I recognized but they also nest everything so it takes like 3 clicks to see 2 severs.

Edit: By type looks like the easier way to see the entire list, which is not huge and I don't recognize any of the servers but I will admit I am not a big Mastodon person.

[-] flamingos@ukfli.uk 28 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

The person who runs it doesn't recommend Lemmy because of the political opinions of its main developers.

Kinda funny now given that Eugene of Mastodon has signed an NDA with Facebook.

[-] Draconic_NEO@lemmy.world 4 points 8 months ago

It's funny how they can attack a software and all instances on it but turn a blind eye to the wrongdoings of the developers of the software they're using. It shows a lot of very personal and emotional bias, and also quite a bit of hypocrisy because they are basically saying to all the instances that use Lemmy that one can't use server software without agreeing with the developers, and yet they use Mastodon while fundamentally disagreeing with its developers.

[-] ominouslemon@lemm.ee 1 points 9 months ago

Eugene of Mastodon has signed an NDA with Facebook.

Is this true? Where can I read more about it?

[-] flamingos@ukfli.uk 3 points 9 months ago

It's hard to give a direct source because he's deleted quite a bit but this thread has a screenshot.

[-] FaceDeer@kbin.social 3 points 9 months ago

Sounds like a purity spiral may be revving up.

[-] haui_lemmy@lemmy.giftedmc.com 12 points 9 months ago

So admins are pissed because one of the more powerful (because rare) indexes has a spine.

Meta promoting hate doesnt fit the fediverse, plain and simple. Maybe people just get over themselves?

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[-] roguetrick@kbin.social 10 points 9 months ago

I think this is consistent with their content policy aims, so that's fine. Meta will not easily ban Nazis, so I get where they're coming from. I don't think I personally would want to participate in this project if I was an admin though.

[-] iquanyin@lemmy.world 6 points 8 months ago

seems a big against the sprit of “let each instance choose.” al ost like having a corporation control the choices available.

[-] sabreW4K3@lazysoci.al 5 points 9 months ago

While I would love for everyone to defederate from threads, strong-arming people is not the way.

[-] DessertStorms@kbin.social 22 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

How exactly is anyone being strong armed?
A single, privately run index site (which, to be clear, I have never even visited, let alone have any affiliation with) doesn't want to publicise certain instances.
If anything, forcing them to index instances they don't want to would be the strong-arming.

[-] aesthelete@lemmy.world 8 points 9 months ago

Yeah saying they have to list and recommend things they disagree with reeks highly of "freeze peach" principles as understood by right-wing-philosopher-clowns.

[-] DessertStorms@kbin.social 4 points 9 months ago

Yup, but only when it's something those clowns disagree with, like excluding Nazis or corporations.

Now, excluding people from protected groups, who need to be protected in the first place because of the groups the clowns endorse and defend, they're more than happy to fight for that..

And conveniently enough anyone who disagrees with them is a traitor they don't have to listen to, and voilà - built in shield against any criticism or the pointing out of just how massive their hypocrisy is..

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