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Biden administration set to greenlight $18 billion sale of F-15 fighter jets to Israel (edition.cnn.com)

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[-] Krono@lemmy.today 91 points 9 months ago

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[-] SpaceCadet@feddit.nl 36 points 9 months ago

The F-15 is an air superiority fighter

The F-15EX, the only one for which the production line is still open, is very much a multirole fighter, developed from the Strike Eagle bomber. Sure it can do air superiority, but it can carry a shitton of weapons to strike ground targets just the same.

But you're right, this is a long term order, which won't have impact on the current situation in Gaza. Additionally, it's a request that was initiated over a year ago, long before the whole situation in Gaza escalated: https://breakingdefense.com/2023/01/israel-formally-requests-25-f-15-ex-from-the-us-sources/

[-] RealFknNito@lemmy.world 12 points 9 months ago

Probably Iran. Gotta keep the war economy rolling so nobody can oust leadership.

[-] mlg@lemmy.world 8 points 9 months ago

I mean yeah sorta

F-15Es are still used somewhat often for Air to Ground stuff, just not as much as other aircraft.

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[-] pachrist@lemmy.world 8 points 9 months ago

The Ford F-150 is a work truck. Doesn't stop millions of people from using them as a commuter vehicle, even if they're not great at it.

Hell, I used my impact driver as a hammer the other day, and I used a screwdriver as a pry bar.

Just because it's not the primary role for a object doesn't mean it can't perform the role. The sale of arms to Israel is irresponsible at best and complicit at worst.

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[-] filoria@lemmy.ml 54 points 9 months ago

April Fools right guys? Haha... ha...

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[-] krolden@lemmy.ml 54 points 9 months ago

Be sure to get out and vote for a piece of shit in November everyone!

[-] thebardingreen@lemmy.starlightkel.xyz 27 points 9 months ago

It's a shitty choice between

"Business as usual center right Joe Stability Biden, representing rich old business people with a smile and a grandfatherly handshake" and

"My followers LITERALLY want Hand Maids Tale style Christian Fascism in this country and they have a plan to do it and that's fine with me as long as I get to win and avoid criminal prosecution, also I'm a wannabe Russian mobster! Donald Trump"

So yes, DO make sure to get out and vote against a piece of shit this November.

[-] Melkath@kbin.social 36 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

I love how dumdums are making genocide center right and stable.

And making it acceptable for both of the whole 2 parties to be right wing.

[-] Facebones@reddthat.com 16 points 9 months ago

If we don't vote for sidestepping congress to do genocide we'll get the guy who wants to sidestep congress to do genocide!

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[-] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmy.ml 29 points 9 months ago

grandfatherly handshake

New euphemism for genocide just dropped.

[-] PowerCrazy@lemmy.ml 8 points 9 months ago

Nah i'm good.

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[-] Melkath@kbin.social 47 points 9 months ago

I hate that man SO much.

Slowest pitch in American history (except maybe Hilary who just HAD to rig the DNC and legitimize Trump) and he is still hellbent on losing.

[-] DevCat@lemmy.world 15 points 9 months ago

Unlike the precision guided munitions, the new F-15s would need to be built from scratch. A US official said there are no plans to expedite delivery of the jets to Israel so, if approved, they would not be delivered to Israel for at least five years.

Is that enough time to vote in some Dems who will stop it?

[-] EmptySlime@lemmy.blahaj.zone 14 points 9 months ago

Don't get your hopes up too much, but potentially yes. Congress is the one that has the power of the purse. They appropriate money to be used for certain purposes and the Executive is responsible for spending that money on the things Congress appropriated it for by a certain date from the bill that did the funding. But usually the form this takes is Congress giving a number and the President deciding exactly what to do to meet that number. Any time before that deadline Congress can decide to reappropriate funds for something else. They usually just opt to change the numbers next time around. Biden tried to get them to do this with some sections of border wall that were funded under Trump. So theoretically yes Congress could cancel this later if they wanted to.

But even if they don't, if what you quoted is accurate this is probably one of the best case scenarios for us non-Genocide Enjoyers. This means that the Biden admin is eating up $18 billion dollars of the money Congress appropriated for Israel aid to build jets that they won't get in time to further their genocidal aims. Since that money has to get spent arming Israel regardless since that's what Congress appropriated it for it's much better if it goes to expensive shit they won't get for years than munitions they could use within weeks to bomb more civilians.

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 12 points 9 months ago

Why would Dems stop it?

[-] Melkath@kbin.social 10 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Sadly, the 5 dems I would have voted for are all hanging back and letting the rest of the Dems shut them out.

Time to make another run at ending the 2 party system.

It will hurt, but when you let it stay 51/49, everything rapidly goes right.

Also, I would imagine the military contractors have already pocketed the 18 billion that was moved from public trust to Israel to the contractor.

If the deal were cancelled, that's another 18 billion out of the public trust refunded to Israel to buy something else from the military contractors.

[-] stewie3128@lemmy.ml 13 points 9 months ago

The two major national parties are rushing rightward no matter what you do. Best I've come up with is moving to a state where the controlling party is as left as possible.

The only way out is through. Best case scenario I believe we can expect is patchwork fascism across the country, so choose your enclave wisely. After things really collapse, and after the fighting is settled, we can do our best to set things right. But as long as we are going to be shackled to the whims of previous generations going back to the 18th century, actual progress is a dream.

The foxes have run the henhouse since the late 70s, and they're not about to give it up.

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[-] UnfortunateShort@lemmy.world 40 points 9 months ago

In other news: Glasses needed? Biden administration fails to read the room, runs into walls

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[-] AllonzeeLV@lemmy.world 38 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Our God here in the US is Mammon, even though he usually goes by other names; rational self-interest, the invisible hand, etc.

Mammon would never let genocide get in the way of glorious profit.