I read a review that said the show was "too woke". I haven't seen anything that's woke except that a non-binary character exists and is referred to as "them", and the shopkeepers in Filly seem to be lesbians but it's not explicitly stated. It's annoying seeing the word "woke" but it's also kind of nice that it's easy to spot the dipshits. Anyone using the word "woke" probably sucks big time.
It's amazing to me that "lesbians? owning a shop? impossible!" is a thought that people have. There are lesbians on my street, at my job, and at my Sunday evening class.
I myself am bisexual. It's just like... we exist man. And if a bomb went off in my city, I am far enough away to survive the blast. So now you've got a bisexual guy in the nuclear winter. OoOo so woke.
i’m pretty sure the subtext of “woke” is “there are women and non-white people here”
same with “dei,” i suppose - all goes back to not liking women and poc 🙃
i’m pretty sure the subtext of “woke” is “there are women and non-white people here”
Or that the women in it aren't explicitly tailored to their tastes. There's a post going around some places about someone trying to "correct" the image of one of the characters to make them less "woke" (they were wearing a baggy jumpsuit). The resulting character's back-end looks like it's been plastiform sealed.
I'm guessing this is it. The setting is a 1950's culture but without the racism and sexism that were rampant at the time. Women and POC holding significant positions in the corporate world, which never would've happened in the actual 1950s. It is a fictional world, of course. People seem to forget that.
Woke might as well be a compliment at this point, anything being called woke just tells me it might be good.
If you show even the existence of a non binary character, they will call you woke. It's more of a label about them then it is about three thing they're criticizing.
"Woke" used to mean "Aware of systemic social issues", but has been co-opted by the right to mean "Anything we don't like". So, anybody who unironically uses it in the new context is not worth taking seriously. To tell them apart, try asking them how they define "woke".
The people saying it’s woke clearly haven’t played fallout 3 which had gay couples lol
I'd like to see those Fallout players sit down and try Arcanum if they think the show is "woke".
Woke just means acknowledging that people you don't personally like exist
I think anything associated with Amazon puts a lot of people on the defense right out the gate, myself included. I would've loved to see a different studio handling this adaption tbh
Rings of Power and Wheel of Time were crushing in their ability to deliver disappointment.
Wheel of time was so close too. If they just didn't fuck with the script so much
All they had to do was NOT try to throw a new twist every other episode, and it would have been amazing.
Not just the props - everything thing from Sugar Bombs and Nuka Cola to the interiors of the vault, the abandoned houses and even a certain drive-in theatre - but even story presentation details like the part at the very start of the very first episode where our vault dweller character presents herself in a way that is lot like the choice of character traits in the game.
Mind you, the story develops and goes deeper way faster than in the actual game (you end up discovering way more of the lore in Season 1 than from playing the games, IMHO) and it has of course a lot more depth in the human relationship between characters side, but all in all it feels like home if you played and enjoyed the games.
As a person on the internet, I hate how people on the internet are so hateful.
Internet here.
Yo mamma.
That is all.
Yeah people on the Internet are too quick to anger, so I'm told.
I’ll kill you for that remark.
Just wanted to chime in as well: Thought I'd watch one episode, watched all eight in the end. It was really good.
People want the thing to fail because Amazon and Bethesda, the opinion has been this way since the first teaser. Glad Tim likes it and i can't wait to watch it as well when i can, there's nothing but hype with their trailer.
Hope it won't devolve or drag for seasons though.
I really enjoyed the show, it was good. I just wish it didn't take place in California. I hate that Bethesda's idea of Fallout is a wasteland in never-ending strife, one that can never move past the scrappy survivor stage of the post-apocalypse.
thats not just bethesda's idea, most at obsidian also wanted it to go back to being less of a stable wasteland, which is why tunnelers were even created
If you want a show to be more like the game, play the game. If you want it to be more like the book, read the book. Let the show be a show and try to appreciate it as a show.
I'm glad I haven't been reading much about the show online. I just finished episode 4 last night and I'm really loving the show. They absolutely nailed the visuals and general vibe of the world. I'll admit to be being skeptical about the show in Amazon's hands. The Rings of Power and first season of Wheel of Time were just poorly written. Though, I did feel that the second season of WoT picked up a bit. So, maybe the folks at Amazon are learning. My only remaining concern for Fallout is how subsequent seasons go. They have hyped the involvement of Johnathan Nolan who was behind Westworld on HBO. Westworld season 1 was downright awesome. But, the rest of the show felt like they were so busy trying to re-capture that magic that they forgot to tell a good story. Fortunately, Nolan is directing and producing Fallout and not writing it. So maybe it won't get written into a corner where there really isn't any more story to tell and several more seasons ordered.
You're right about the writing, and the moment that sold me that the writing in this show is actually good was when Maximus and The Ghoul are fighting in Filly and instead of showing the entire fight, they cut to the people inside talking. Realizing that the fight adds nothing of substance but showy graphics is usually the indicator to me that the writers are in control of the vision of the show which pretty much always bodes well.
rivalry between Fallout entries developed by Bethesda (3, 4, and 76), and those from Interplay, Black Isle, and Obsidian (1, 2, and New Vegas)
Why can't we all be friends and gang up together on fans of Fallout: Brotherhood of Steel..?
Those poor souls have suffered enough, don't you think?
Against all two of them? That hardly sounds fair, now does it?
There are no haters like fans.
“They changed it too much! This sucks! It’s nothing like the (books, characters, game, storyline) we love!”
“This sucks. It’s just a retread. They didn’t do anything new, or was all fan service.”
Anyone saying the show recons 1, 2 and NV from the lore must not know a damn thing about 1, 2, and NV not to notice all the things referencing events and places from those games.
I don't see many people saying that. I see more people expressing disappointment in the apparently underwhelming and abrupt demise of the NCR, which for all practical purposes resets the west coast to a lawless Fallout 1 type state.
I'm not sure where I stand on that, because I could see the unraveling of the NCR as being interesting if expanded upon, but the point is that it is a reasonable opinion to hold. This Tim Cain video isn't saying people shouldn't criticize things or that they are unreasonable for not enjoying things. He's saying that regardless of the merits of a production, you shouldn't level personal attacks and moral judgements on creators just because you don't personally like what they made.
I have to admit I was also only looking at the props, because I very much like the visual style. I feel the creators overdid themselves a little, packing (probably too) many references directly in the first episode. Was a little overwhelmed visually and did not follow the story. Will have to rewatch, especially as the start of the episode is not like the games, where you primarily follow one (your) character, and rather not many in parallel.
I think people are taking the wrong takeaway from this. It is okay to dislike the show, it’s okay to criticize it. There is a difference between not liking a final production and declaring that the people who made it are terrible.
This might seem like an obvious distinction, but I’ve ridden this ride before. Different factions of fans declaring themselves more “loyal” or “correct”- some of them hating everything new and getting nasty about the new creators, and other factions blindly loving all the new things. Each faction declaring the other as fake fans and trying to banish them. It is perfectly fine to not like some things, to express it, and to discuss it back and forth. The smug dismissal that fans have of other fans who have a polar opinion of specific productions in a franchise is exhausting.
Tim Cain seems from his channel and his many talks like somebody who tries to think in this multifaceted way. Unfortunately many people clip his words and run off on tangents against his bigger ideas.
You cant please everyone
I like the show, the only problem is that it reduces the universe for the purpose of its medium, and factions essentially become people. Otherwise, the show is what I would expect from a Fallout game, a slowly developing main quest where a lot of the experience is in the random encounters and side quests. I'm looking forward to the possibility of them talking about THE courier and their legend, and perhaps even bring out the lore of the random stranger. Worst criticism I have is that its removing a lot of the mystery surrounding Vault-Tec lore by serving it out on a silver platter, it was basically the one mystery that stretched out and was never fully revealed throughout the games, where you actually had to dig into to know more, now being served to any person who watched the show whether they want it or not. It's sort of like my problem with Starfield, it brings you too close to all the major players in that universe way too quickly, making the world smaller and eliminating mystery, anticipation, and depth before it has had time to ripen.
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