I'm supposed to have energy as an adult?! I have way more time than energy. Most of that time is spent doing useless shit like watching YouTube because I'm too exhausted to do anything useful
No, I'm willing to bet you have plenty of energy. Society has simply deemed that all of it must be spent on being productive for the sake of everyone except yourself.
"If your employees have energy to spend on meaningful activities during their own time, you're leaving money on the table. Squeeze them harder while they are on the clock."
Agree to disagree, I likely have a sleep disorder, so I haven't had a good night's sleep in nearly 10 years! Check, and, mate! Fuck I hate my life.....
If you have time then try working out and doing sports. It sounds asinine, but I've found that exerting yourself increases your levels of energy in the long term. Even something small, a little bit at a time will be greatly beneficial. Also try doing it with someone else and try having an active social life that will motivate you to go out of the house and stop spending all the evening alone on the couch watching YouTube (which is really detrimental, ask me how I know it).
Like the Romans said "mens sana in corpore sano" (you need a healthy body to have a healthy mind)
Software engineers get paid more than any other engineering discipline so that part is wrong AF but yea the rest is valid
Programmer pay is so bizarre, it makes me cynical about our entire economy.
If I'm a blue-collar worker maintaining the wires between banks, I get paid little. If I'm a programmer maintaining the banking software that controls everyone's money and is essential to the entire nation, I'm paid a little more, but not as much as some programmers.
If I'm a young man who creates a webpage that barely works venture capitalists are tripping over themselves trying to shove millions of dollars into my hands.
(Although, creating a webpage was the hot thing last decade, now the hot thing is creating an AI.)
You missed the banks tripping over themselves to find a COBOL programmer. My father makes stupid amounts of money (read, $400-$1600 per hour) maintaining bank COBOL systems. My father is in his 70s.
COBOL is almost as much of a PITA as Lisp, but no one, not even the US Military that developed Lisp will pay the really big bucks to maintain it.
I think people like your father make bank because even though new programmers could learn COBOL, that wouldn't be enough for them to be able to fulfill the same niche your father and other established COBOL programmers occupy; any programming language has a disparity between "the proper way to do things", and the kind of kludges you see in the field, but few have the kind of baggage that COBOL does, in terms of how long it's been around and having things built on top of it.
not sure what you're talking about with lisp lol, the military may have some dialect they wrote but lisp started as an academic language and there's plenty of still supported and used dialects outside of that
A lot of the time it's about being lucky enough be able to have or form connections with rich stupid people. Those kinds are a lot more willing to throw insane amounts of money at someone/some company they vaguely know to do things they know nothing of but hear a lot about.
Or just working at a company that's well-known in the area and deals with clients very intimately while the product is being created.
Sometimes charging more for the same service makes them want it more, to them it means it's premium programming (as opposed to the off-brand wish dot com programming). But sometimes they demand disgracefully cheap yet world-class service and throw a tantrum when they can't pay you $5 an hour for a full rebranded recreation of the Amazon web service.
The post literally above this one is about a manufacturing job with shit hours and pay and I work a 8-4 (sometimes longer) but im paid abnormally high (we start new devs at 70k and average dev is six figures).
But the other stuff like free time can absolutely suffer as even at the senior level, I'm taking so many courses and outside education to stay relevant.
Software also gets a plethora of remote work. I have zero sympathy as a mechanical and manufacturing engineer.
Most old people don't have that much money. Many UK pensioners freeze in their homes every year.
My wife and I make a decent income between the two of us, and we nearly froze to death winter before last! £500pcm+ to keep our house at like 10°C, absolute madness.
Britain got it so bad with the natural gas prices in the last few years.
I'm from Vancouver, Canada, so everything seemed so cheap when I moved to the UK....except natural gas and electricity. Like I held the lease and had all the utils in my name for a house when I lived in Canada, 14 people, all gamers. And the bills in winter were less than half what my wife and I were paying this past winter.
Lmao, no.
Go work a job in a different industry before thinking you have it so tough.
Programmers make more money, have more vacation and free time, and consequently typically have stabler lives, than literally every single other professional industry.
Also their careers grow faster and steadier even in a recession, changing jobs is easier and comes with a significant pay raise each time, and they mostly don't have to deal with costumers.
I mean, American programmers seem to make a ton.
Yes but they live in places that cost a ton, and then get fired with no notice.
Agreed to the part about job security being terrible in the U.S, but it's worth mentioning that the premium you get in income for living in for example San Francisco far outweighs the cost of housing.
I live in rural Pennsylvania but I work remotely for a San Francisco startup.
I get paid less than my coworkers who live in big cities, but more than any of my friends who live in my area except one who's also a programmer.
If you think programmers make less than other jobs then you're totally out of touch.
Ive always thought thsoe graphs were bullshit, im a college student and I have no time, energy, or money. I feel like this will not change drastically as i age lmao
Depends on Major, I have more time as a Worker than I did in College. More energy, too.
Im a physics major so it is likely my own doing
Keep at it! Physics is cool as hell!
I read your first comment and thought "I wonder if they're studying physics too, this sounds way too relatable". lo and behold
hang in there!
Implying money ever reaches 100% full
Most programmers I know have a SO and make bank. What is this?
you haven’t met me yet
I think it's Europeans. I've heard that many European countries don't have high pay for devs.
Still high relative to the average but nowhere near their American counterparts.
I've worked with programmers from Europe, they have above average pay.
european countries also have a lower maintenance fee for staying alive, which evens things out a lot.
programmer pay here means you can just save up and retire early.
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right but my github commits number is off the chart
Added TODO
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I actually got bucket loads of free time after finishing my studies, I didn't know what to do with it. Like why does everyone always act like students have time? It's a full time job plus you have to do projects and homework.
I like the joke but I suspect the levels for "young programmer", "adult programmer", and "old programmer" would all look a lot like "programmer". It's true at least in my case. The occupation does seem to attract the more spicy-brained among us. 😆
✔️reduced interaction with people (mostly)
✔️work with systems with well defined rules
That might be what I believed when I first started but it's so far from the truth...
I've recently changed to a part-time contract, thanks to decent wages we get in IT. None of my friends outside of IT could afford that. If anyone claims IT professionals earn too little, they should change their job and see how much their life improves then.
This is warm fuzzies level of jpg
where do adults have money?
I'm an adult on long-term sick leave so I have zero energy and money, but all the time. It's generally not great, but at least I'm able to play all the games I want, watch all the movies and series of interest, discover music and learn about a ton of things.
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