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[-] adam_y@lemmy.world 35 points 6 months ago

And opposing those actions is not antisemitic.

We take those two things together as truth and we are getting somewhere.

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[-] dylanmorgan@slrpnk.net 15 points 6 months ago

I really wish this didn’t need to be clarified every few days. Thanks, zionists and white supremacists!

[-] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 12 points 6 months ago

I only hate the zionists and a great many of them are not Jewish.

[-] Tryptaminev@lemm.ee 8 points 6 months ago

Many of them are open antisemites even. Zionism and Antisemitism are allied ideologies.

[-] intensely_human@lemm.ee 1 points 6 months ago

Well that’s counterintuitive. Where’d you learn that?

[-] DeLacue@lemmy.world 4 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

It is counterintuitive but it does make sense. You see the initial plan the Nazis used to try to get rid of the Jews was to expel them from Germany. They had no problem if the Jews all grouped together and settled their own country so long as it was somewhere else. Far away from them. (And when they didn't leave they made conditions horrible for them). That's why antisemites love Zionism; it's a way to get rid of the Jewish population in their country without dirtying their hands with ethnic cleansing. Which is how we get to conspiracy nutjobs who rant about Jewish space lasers setting forest fires in the US for some reason, turning around and enthusiastically supporting Israel and defence aid for Israel.

[-] Tryptaminev@lemm.ee 2 points 6 months ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionist_antisemitism

To put it briefly. Zionism is a ethno-nationalist ideology. One country for each ethnicity and were the dominating ethnicity gets to supress every minority. This on the one hand is what whit supremacist fascists believe too. On the other hand Israels key claim to its right to exist at the genocide and ethnic cleansing of Palestinians is that Israel would be the only safe place for Jews in the world. If Jews are persecuted and discriminated against outside of Israel this is good for Israel as they can justify their existence with it. For Antisemites historically and today it is great to allow for an out to "get rid of the Jews" by sending them to Israel. Exactly what was done by Britain.

So they both share the same ideological core, which is ethnostates ("Blut und Boden" - blood and soil, like the Nazis called it) and operatively they profit from each other.

[-] Sam_Bass@lemmy.world 12 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

The jewish population in israel is in a better position to effect change than the loudest voices anywhere else

[-] Tryptaminev@lemm.ee 9 points 6 months ago

And most of them happily endorse the genocide and ethnic cleansing of Palestine. We need to oust the Israelis as the fascists they are and make it clear that they do no speak for Jews in general and their fascist ideology is in direct contradiction to the values of Judaism. I am most worried for and most impressed by the few Jews in Israel that fight this fascist regime and get attacked and in return by it, while the West proclaims to stand for the fight against antisemitism by supporting the abuse of Jews who stand up for Jewish values.

[-] spirinolas@lemmy.world 10 points 6 months ago

I wish we could say the same about Israelis.

[-] Triasha@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago

Not all Israelis support netanyahu or the death/colonisation. Even if maybe the majority do.

[-] spirinolas@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago

Too many do, unfortunately.

[-] yesman@lemmy.world 8 points 6 months ago

You know, it's that same right wing government's hasbara for the 70 years to confuse the difference between an Israeli, a Jew, and a Zionist so they could use antisemitism as a cudgel and the Shoah as a shield.

FINE: If I'm not allowed to criticize Israel without fixing antisemitism first, then Israel can't have any more weapons or cover in the UN until they solve race relations in the US.

[-] snooggums@midwest.social 8 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

The current right wing government also doesn't represent every citizen of Israel either, but it is ok to use 'Israel' as a shorthand for the actions of the current right wing government when the actions are a continuation of decades of similar colonialism and the government is in power due to how the majority of the population voted.

So hatred against everyone in Israel is also wrong, but saying Israel is committing genocide doesn't require saying it is the current government.

This meme should say "The actions of Israel does not represent the will of all Jews,,,"

Edit: I expect everyone who down voted also refrains from using Russia, China, or the United States and other names of countries when making criticisms for consistency. "Russia didn't invade Ukraine, the current Putin led government did."

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[-] Jhogenbaum@leminal.space 4 points 6 months ago

... Yep... And we repeat that sentiment for Hamas.

[-] WallEx@feddit.de 1 points 6 months ago

Yes, thank you!

[-] Triasha@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago

We can oppose genocide without anti semetic bullshit.

[-] Signtist@lemm.ee 3 points 6 months ago

The very belief that the decisions of the powerful few are a reflection of the opinions of the people as a whole is how we got ourselves into this mess in the first place...

[-] Randelung@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago

Everyone should get the chance to prove themselves an asshole.

[-] anticurrent@sh.itjust.works 3 points 6 months ago

Read from Israeli activists like Ilan Papé describe the Israeli society as a fascist supremacist society. they don't care about the right of Palestinians to live freely on their land.

[-] jbk@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 6 months ago

on a sidenote how's this format a meme, it's just weird to me

[-] kiljoy@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 6 months ago
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