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Switzerland mandates all software developed for the government be open sourced

Switzerland mandates software source code disclosure for public sector: A legal milestone

https://joinup.ec.europa.eu/collection/open-source-observatory-osor/news/new-open-source-law-switzerland

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[-] Mubelotix@jlai.lu 445 points 5 months ago

Public money, public code!

[-] stormeuh@lemmy.world 148 points 5 months ago

IMO this should be the case for everything developed using public money, looking at you, pharmaceutical companies...

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[-] Tja@programming.dev 34 points 5 months ago

But it will be written in Schwiizerdütch, so no one outside of Switzerland will understand it. I think it's a dialect of Perl.

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[-] WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world 230 points 5 months ago

This is the way it should be. Governments around the world have spent decades enriching big tech with public money, when they could have pooled their resources and built FOSS software that benefited everyone.

Same goes for science and everything else funded by tax payers.

[-] nerdschleife@lemm.ee 108 points 5 months ago

Meanwhile my country's apps don't let you open them if you have Developer Options enabled on android :)

[-] timewarp@lemmy.world 33 points 5 months ago

And they'll prob make it illegal for you to bypass and hide developer options because to them that means you're hacking them.

[-] balder1991@lemmy.world 37 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Country: it’s illegal to have software development skills 🤡

[-] WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world 35 points 5 months ago

Well, in the last few years there was that guy politicians labelled a criminal because he inspected a web page and disclosed multiple amateur vulnerabilities.

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[-] Beaver@lemmy.ca 85 points 5 months ago

All governments should take notice

[-] Randelung@lemmy.world 83 points 5 months ago

Been contracting for the Swiss government for years, namely ASTRA. They have 0 concept of how that should happen. It's their IP, but they don't want to take it, host it, maintain it, or do anything else with it once the project is done.

Do they just expect others to foot the bill? Sure, free GitHub exists, but everything else? Open sourcing without maintenance is abandonware and usually useless.

[-] vk6flab@lemmy.radio 99 points 5 months ago

In contrast, abandoned open source software can be picked up and updated by whomever gets paid to, where abandoned closed source software needs to be reimplemented from scratch at great expense to the tax payer.

Not only that, open source software can be adopted by the community (who already paid for the development through their taxes) for their own purposes. Consider for example the productivity impact on business that starts using tools that it cannot afford to develop itself.

Office things like document management, workflow management, accounting, but also tools used in the science community, transport and logistics, anything that government does is represented in some other way in society.

This is a big deal and I hope that it will reverberate across the globe and become the new normal.

Whilst we're at it, consider the impact of open data, where government datasets are available to the community.

[-] Randelung@lemmy.world 16 points 5 months ago

I'll gladly upload my stuff into some repo they allow me to. I've inquired about it in the past - I wrote a piece of sw that fills a requirement hole left by a widely used SCADA tool - but they outright forbid it. That was about a year ago.

My point is less about open source and more about how they have no clue how to handle their IP even now. It's a nice gesture at best (at least currently. Maybe there's more on the way).

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[-] Gemini24601@lemmy.world 59 points 5 months ago

Open source will always be the best option, especially with a government supporting it! Imagine what government funding could do to accelerate improvements to Linux

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[-] hubobes@sh.itjust.works 58 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

I work for a company which creates software for the government. Super exited for more OSS projects.

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[-] ledix@lemmy.world 58 points 5 months ago

"unless precluded by third-party rights or security concerns", so this bill does nothing

[-] Vigge93@lemmy.world 20 points 5 months ago
  1. I imagine that the company would have the burden of proof that any of these criteria are fulfilled.

  2. Third-party rights most likely refers to the use of third-party libraries, where the source code for those isn't open source, and therefore can't be disclosed, since they aren't part of the government contract. Security concerns are probably things along the line of "Making this code open source would disclose classified information about our military capabilities" and such.

Switzerland are very good bureaucracy and I trust that they know how to make policies that actually stick.

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[-] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 52 points 5 months ago

That's fucking amazing

[-] CaptainBasculin@lemmy.ml 48 points 5 months ago

Hopefully more governments will follow this. At the very least, the taxpayer should have the right for whatever software's source code that it funds development.

[-] bassomitron@lemmy.world 41 points 5 months ago

This makes me curious in the US on whether or not government app source code would be provided via a FOIA request.

[-] timewarp@lemmy.world 47 points 5 months ago

You'd think so, but the answer is no. They've employed companies like Microsoft, Oracle, etc. to write up the security handbooks that says proprietary software is more secure. Heck, even electronic voting systems in the US is closed-source.

[-] seang96@spgrn.com 40 points 5 months ago

Security by obscurity the 100% least effective security measure! Wait what? MS left the government knowingly vulnerable for years for the shareholders?! That's some good security right there!

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[-] Geometrinen_Gepardi@sopuli.xyz 20 points 5 months ago

Heck, even electronic voting systems in the US is closed-source.

How can elections even be trusted to be fair in that case?

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[-] catloaf@lemm.ee 12 points 5 months ago

Generally, works of the US government are public domain.

However, most apps are produced on contract with development companies, and I expect the contract specifies that the rights remain with the developer.

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[-] Blackmist@feddit.uk 39 points 5 months ago

I think that's a good call.

If the people are paying for it through taxes, it shouldn't be contracted out to some company who lock further development behind their continued involvement.

[-] SkabySkalywag@lemmy.world 36 points 5 months ago
[-] 1984@lemmy.today 30 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

I guess it's not convenient to have Microsoft and Apple scan your company images and employee emails. Even take screenshots automatically if they can get away with it.

Appearently other countries are fine with this, which surprises me much more.

I guess the corpo version of windows have these sort of things turned off? But ms can turn them on whenever they want.

[-] jol@discuss.tchncs.de 12 points 5 months ago

This is specifically about software developer for the government. Microsoft office is then not included.

[-] BlanK0@lemmy.ml 24 points 5 months ago

Switzerland being based af ngl 😎😎😎

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[-] jabathekek@sopuli.xyz 22 points 5 months ago

I hope more governments do this, especially after how unsurprisingly shit (read: insecure) microsoft has become.

[-] 0x0@programming.dev 12 points 5 months ago

Has become? When was it ever not?

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[-] kaffiene@lemmy.world 21 points 5 months ago
[-] vga@sopuli.xyz 18 points 5 months ago

That's a very surprisingly amazing thing of them!

[-] F4U57@lemmy.ml 18 points 5 months ago

There going to face a whole bunch of compatibility issues when dealing with other countries imho. However, i personally find this to be a good thing. Its at the very least a strike at the heart of big systems controlling the masses.

[-] sturmblast@lemmy.world 17 points 5 months ago

Now there is some common sense.

[-] uis@lemm.ee 17 points 5 months ago

Wasn't there EU-wide law about it?

[-] Adanisi@lemmy.zip 28 points 5 months ago

Switzerland isn't in the EU

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[-] n3m37h@sh.itjust.works 15 points 5 months ago

Wwwaiiiiiittt... So does this mean OS too? Is an entire country switching to the dark side? Linux, I mean Linux

[-] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 16 points 5 months ago

"Windows wasn't developed for the Swiss government, it was developed for the general public and we adopted it off the shelf."

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[-] Chee_Koala@lemmy.world 14 points 5 months ago

Together monkey strong!!

[-] RobotToaster@mander.xyz 14 points 5 months ago

Tangential, but there's a long list of government github accounts here: https://government.github.com/community/

[-] HEXN3T@lemmy.blahaj.zone 13 points 5 months ago

Can't wait for our US government to catch up never.

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[-] WhyFlip@lemmy.world 13 points 5 months ago

If only other non-podunk countries would follow suit.

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[-] supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz 13 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

bites lip, damn Switzerland…. that is hot as fuck

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