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“Vote for your ethics”: Libertarian VP nominee explains why he doesn’t think it’s a wasted vote (wtmj.com)

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[-] friend_of_satan@lemmy.world 33 points 2 months ago

Voting your ethics is what the primary is for. Voting strategically is what the final vote is for.

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[-] echo@lemmings.world 28 points 2 months ago

Libertarians are just awful Republicans. It doesn't hurt them any to have you throw your vote away.

[-] celeste@kbin.earth 15 points 2 months ago

I think everyone who was going to vote for trump but is feeling doubt should pick a third party candidate to vote for instead.

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[-] SatansMaggotyCumFart@lemmy.world 12 points 2 months ago

You’ve made a series of very poor choices to end up as a libertarian VP nominee.

He should be considering rehab, not explaining things to people.

[-] solidgrue@lemmy.world 8 points 2 months ago

I thought we were Green party, here. Libertarians? Ethics?

What's the plan, friend?

[-] SatansMaggotyCumFart@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago

OP is a Mormon Satanist. Transracial Kopimist Monk. Socialist Workers Party Green Comrade. Alcohol-free, drug-free, caffeine-free, woke-free, influencer-free, uncensored (free!).

[-] solidgrue@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago

You say Satanist like it's a bad thing

[-] SatansMaggotyCumFart@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago

I just get confused how you practice mormon satanism.

Do they have pentagrams on their temple garments?

[-] solidgrue@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago

Its on the underwear, y'see. It's the crotch gussets and the overseams at the hip

[-] SatansMaggotyCumFart@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago

The temple garments are the underwear!

[-] solidgrue@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago

Same priors. We're simpatico.

[-] TransplantedSconie@lemm.ee 6 points 2 months ago

Green Party is for nerds.

Libertarians listen to Winger and smoke ditchweed pinners. They're the cool guys.

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[-] HappyTimeHarry@lemm.ee 5 points 2 months ago

This dude is on a one man quest to promote third parties on Lemmy, and the crazy thing to me is how generally non combative and polite they are. It seems like rage bait and every one of their posts gets massive down votes but then you see their comments are all like "well I respect your opinion but I disagree'... I really can't tell if this is just a master level troll or some deep cover Russian op.

[-] revelrous@sopuli.xyz 2 points 2 months ago

Absolutely rage bait. Imo the language might read as non combative, but in application it feels like just a blind to slip a ban. Read through some of their exchanges with Mx. SMCF; it's pointing a hand in somebody's face and using the 'I'm not touching you' of defenses.

[-] LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 1 points 2 months ago

I don’t see any reason to think it isn’t genuine. I’ve met plenty of people who feel this way.

But either way they must have incredible patience to deal with all the abuse they receive!

[-] KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 months ago

You can tell when you engage and ask questions that require actual thought. Bring up the fact that many third party candidates have been shown to literally be in the race to confuse voters or pull votes away from other candidates, and they no longer want to engage, attempting to steer the conversation away from that topic.

The fact that they won’t even acknowledge it happens, which is an objective fact, is proof enough for me to believe that’s what they are attempting.

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[+] UniversalMonk@lemmy.world -6 points 2 months ago

This dude is on a one man quest to promote third parties on Lemmy,

So do you think we need even more articles on the awesomeness of the Democratic Party?

and the crazy thing to me is how generally non combative and polite they are.

So I should be more rude?

I really can’t tell if this is just a master level troll or some deep cover Russian op.

OR it could just be that I belive in third parties. I don't write the articles, I just post them. I respect your opinion, but if you feel any of my articles have broken community rules, please bring to attention fo the mod team.

[-] HappyTimeHarry@lemm.ee 1 points 2 months ago

Okay so hear me out on this since you seem to care about third parties... I think if you legit have the objective of getting 3rd parties included long term you need to support ones that have down ballot options, the greens very rarely do but LIbertarians almost always have at least someone for governor or senate or at state levels, so while i don't actually think Libertarians are the better option (Althought i'd rank them above Republicans), I think if you want to support the general idea of 3rd parties, the most pragmatic choice is to support libertarians. This WAS my strategy for elections I didnt care about till 2016 (i'm in a solid blue state which also plays in, I'd vote different if i wasnt).

Maybe its because I'm older, or maybe its actually just the legitimate threat of fascism, but after Trump won his first term I switched to pretty much fully supporting democrats. I'll probably still vote third party for future elections that i think don't matter but I consider the people behind Trump too big of a risk at this point. I think defeating Trump would actually also help Third parties in a sort of way because if he wins everyone will fall in line behind him but if he loses there will likely be a pretty big rift among the right and some portion of them are going to move to the Libertarian party.

While I'm probably more ideologically aligned with the platform of the green party, I dont think they have any realistic chance of making a positive difference. They seem to not really have great leadership or enough support to run down ballot candidates. It will be interesting to see if RFK or Cornell West do worse then Stein but I kind of doubt it

Honestly though, with biden dropping out and walz getting picket for VP, I'm genuinely optimistic about the democratic ticket now, sure they arent perfect and they will need to be under constant pressure from the left to do the right things, but personally they've earned my vote at this point.

Anyways, I hope you don't get banned, I'm really curious to see what you post AFTER the election is over.

[+] UniversalMonk@lemmy.world -7 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Okay so hear me out on this since you seem to care about third parties… I think if you legit have the objective of getting 3rd parties included long term you need to support ones that have down ballot options

Well I'm not going to vote for someone JUST because they are third party. They have to align with my values. The libertarians don't align with my values, so I'm not voting for them. And the same reason I am not voting for Harris. And the same reason I am not voting for Trump.

but after Trump won his first term I switched to pretty much fully supporting democrats.

And I support and respect your choice to do that and vote for whoever you want. As I would hope you would support and respect me voting for who I would like to vote for.

Anyways, I hope you don’t get banned, I’m really curious to see what you post AFTER the election is over.

Why would I get banned? I've posted a few political news articles to this Lemmy political news community. And the mods have not removed them. Why? Because they fit in with the "political news" theme of this community. Why do you think I would get banned for that?

Honest question: Do you think I only post to c/politics and that I only post political articles?!

I've also posted education articles to Lemmy education communities, science articles to Lemmy science communities, paraprofessional articles to Lemmy paraprofessional communities.

And friend, I am older than you. I have posted about third parties and other political news to Reddit for several years before I even found Lemmy. What makes you think I am doing this for one election and then done? I also vote for Green Party members in non-presidential elections, and cover that news as well.

I have been voting since Michael Dukakis (Democratic Party) and his running mate Lloyd Bentsen ran for president in 1988.

I know that doesn't fit your "OMG Look guys! I caught a Russian agent!!" Or the other bad guys "a China agent!!"

Why don't you count how many third party articles are in this community, compared to pro-democrat articles in this community.

Just because I am not voting for your candidate, doesn't mean I am part of some grand conspiracy. It's extremely uncivil to imply that I am a russian plant. Or that I am a troll.

Also, there are lots of people interested in third parties. Hence why you all are so scared of third parties. Are they all russian plants too? What about the people who voted thrid party before the Russian Scare took over?

And lastly, this is important, I DIDN'T WRITE THE FUCKING NEWS ARTICLES!

Do you understand that? They are not some opinion pieces that I came up with. They are articles written by news organizations. If you don't think news orgs should cover third parties, then write to them and let them know your opinion.

If you have a problem with the content of an article, please write to the editor of that news org.

If you think any of the articles I have posted don't fit the "political news" theme of this community, then contact the mod team.

[-] HappyTimeHarry@lemm.ee 4 points 2 months ago

I don't really have a problem with the posts/articles you share in general but you must realize you post a pretty large volume in general compared to the average user (politcal or not), and most of them get down voted by a lot. I think its honest of to post it all from a single account, I don't think you are a plant but there is an arguement to be made that you are pushing forward an agenda that is, just not what people here want. I'm not saying you ARE pushing an agenda, Im just saying I can see how it might appear that way to some. Similarly to how I don't believe RFK or Jill Stein are literally russian operatives but I do see how Putin might benefit from their actions.

I say i hope you dont get banned because its clear from all the down votes that a lot of people disagree with what you're posting, not that I think you should be banned, but just online communities and moderators being how they are you never know. You seem genuine to me, but I'm probably in the minority on /c/politics

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