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[-] MehStrongBadMeh@programming.dev 186 points 4 months ago

There's a reason captchas have moved mostly image identification systems. These text-based captchas have all been defeated for years.

[-] ironhydroxide@sh.itjust.works 95 points 4 months ago

Yeah because whomever "owns" the data needs humans to train their bots, not because the image based bot detection is better than other methods.

[-] TheSlad@sh.itjust.works 86 points 4 months ago

The images are not actually the captcha. They've used other methods and tools to verify your authenticity, then they force you to help train their image recognition AI under the guise of it being the actual captcha. Its Distributed Forced Labor, and Google has been using captchas to do this for decades. Remeber the picture-of-two-words captcha? One word was always squiggly and the other was not. The squiggly word was the real captcha, the other word was from a scanned book and you were helping to train their OCR algorithms.

[-] Prunebutt@slrpnk.net 40 points 4 months ago

I remember that Jdownloader could crack some CAPTCHAs back in the 00's.

[-] breakingcups@lemmy.world 22 points 4 months ago

Funnily enough, the reason they switched to those was to use the data to train machine learning (AI) models, just like Google's recaptcha was originally pictures of words from old, scanned books so they could transcribe all of them "for free" and train their transcription algorithms.

[-] antonim@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 4 months ago

Man I miss the times when Google used to trick us into helping make knowledge more easily accessible to everyone. Now we just train fucking AI for luxury cars.

[-] RonSijm@programming.dev 9 points 4 months ago

It's a bit weird how that actually works though...

"Which of these pictures are traffic lights?"

I'd hope with all the self-driving-(ish) cars coming out, any AI like that should be able to identify a traffic light, right?

[-] null@slrpnk.net 30 points 4 months ago

When you "solve" a captcha like that, you're just helping train the AI you're talking about.

The stuff that determines whether you're a not or not is based on browser information, how you interact with the page, etc.

[-] driving_crooner@lemmy.eco.br 12 points 4 months ago

That's exactly what you're doing, training the AIs to identify that.

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[-] Aoife@lemmy.blahaj.zone 144 points 4 months ago

Nobody mentioning it got the captcha wrong? That's a p not a P which while admittedly a tiny mistake would still be counted as a fail

[-] bstix@feddit.dk 87 points 4 months ago

Goes to show that it's only human.

[-] Good_morning@lemmynsfw.com 14 points 4 months ago
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[-] narc0tic_bird@lemm.ee 53 points 4 months ago

Many (most?) captchas I stumbled upon weren't case sensitive.

[-] Mouselemming@sh.itjust.works 34 points 4 months ago

You mean I've been shiftkeying all these years for nothing?!?

[-] muntedcrocodile@lemm.ee 20 points 4 months ago

I've run into a few.

[-] marcos@lemmy.world 30 points 4 months ago

Hum... I'm not sure I wouldn't make that same mistake.

[-] blockheadjt@sh.itjust.works 32 points 4 months ago

Are you sure you're human?

[-] roguetrick@lemmy.world 20 points 4 months ago

Negative. I am a meat popsicle.

[-] marcos@lemmy.world 19 points 4 months ago

I have been wondering that lately...

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[-] cheddar@programming.dev 58 points 4 months ago

"p" should be lowercase, the metalbags aren't that good yet.

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[-] ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world 55 points 4 months ago

At least it got the last letter kinda wrong.

:(

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[-] Shanedino@lemmy.world 47 points 4 months ago

Fun fact not only to captchas monitor your input but also can analyze how you input it. If you mouse moves in a perfectly straight line if all your key presses are precisely spaced, you are probably not human.

[-] ArmokGoB@lemmy.dbzer0.com 44 points 4 months ago

Both of those seem trivial to circumvent.

[-] Shanedino@lemmy.world 36 points 4 months ago

Sure two additional cases not that bad, now just keep adding them up. Like anything security related it's not 100% perfect you just have to make it annoying to break.

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[-] TheGiantKorean@lemmy.world 41 points 4 months ago

Now all the people they pay to solve these captchas will have to go find other work 😢

[-] Zozano@lemy.lol 7 points 4 months ago

I'm more worried about Google's income. How can they afford to spy on me if they aren't being paid far out the ass to host what will soon be security theatre.

[-] Darkassassin07@lemmy.ca 37 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Puts 40yo tech against current tech

How is the current tech possibly winning...

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[-] d0ntpan1c@lemmy.blahaj.zone 33 points 4 months ago

Honestly, I'm not mad if AI fully defeats captchas to the point they go away. They almost always fail to be usable via accessibility tools. These things might block some automated systems, but they also block people with disabilities.

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[-] Ahardyfellow@lemmynsfw.com 19 points 4 months ago

Most bots out there aren't backed by chat gpt. We had a flood of Russian boys using a sign up for on a site to send spam emails by putting the spam in the names and address fields. Slapping the most basic of captchas on the page solved it.

[-] aulin@lemmy.world 10 points 4 months ago

To be fair, most boys aren't as sophisticated as bots.

[-] kitnaht@lemmy.world 13 points 4 months ago

But it got it wrong.....

[-] tcsenpai@lemmy.ml 12 points 4 months ago

While everybody's right in saying text captchas are outdated, there are concerning amount of services (especially for small-mid businesses) that still use them.

Anyway, if an AI could control something like Selenium with the necessary modifications (aka not presenting itself as Selenium), I am pretty sure most of the "Click here to confirm you are an human" captchas like the cloudflare one would be defeated too.

I think the most challenging are image-based weird challenges that are difficult even to humans. The annoying ones.

[-] QuadratureSurfer@lemmy.world 40 points 4 months ago

What do you mean by outdated? Most captchas are there to help them train their next ML model. Relevant xkcd:

https://xkcd.com/2228/

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