Chat control is back on the agenda again and the works is kept in secret.
Now it's really starting to look suspicious and power abusive.
"Starting looking suspicious", huh?
Here I meant that their previous attempts were less shady, even though the intentions were suspicious. Now the methods of getting this law passed are getting suspicious too.
Wasn’t this just shut down…?
No, it was withdrawn, removed from the agenda so there was no vote, now it's back on.
To add on this: removed because it was clear the vote would not have been in favor.
Was pretty clear that it would return sooner rather than later.
They will try until it passes. And if it's stopped in the courts they will try again.
Yeah, same with forcing ISPs to save connection data on all users long term. European court slapped on the hands a couple of times, still not done. Like some kind of undead policy
Yeah, same as the last 15 times they tried.
so we can't have secrets but they can?
"Why do you care if you have nothing to hide?"
Government: hides their plans
That's what it means to have a democracy for the ruling class.
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I will make a request and then post it.
Pleasepleaseplease don't forget, we must see it!
I gonna lose my shit.. How can they force it this much
They only need it to pass once, we need it to be rejected every single time.
This right here. We need to do the right thing over and over again, because once it passes it's done.
Literally how hackers operate.
The hackers need to succeed once to get in. You need to succeed every time to not fail.
For fuck's sake, guys, c'mon! Do we have to do this again, really?
Again and again, as many times as it takes to get through, apparently
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Shady as fuck too.
I just requested it. Shame on them for trying to keep this in the shadows, bunch of crooks.
The children they deem to protect are trembling in fear right now.
Here we go again
I'm so done
That’s the idea. State actors can keep this up for decades while we the people end up exhausted. Stay vigilant, brother.
You are absolutely right. Not doing anything is playing their game.
So what actual people are responsible for this? If somebody were to dox them, they wouldn't care, right? Because nothing to hide, nothing to fear right?
the Council is made up of national Governments.
First they obliterate telegram (most likely the only ones that would not comply and still offer service in Europe, Facebook and Apple would just comply, Signal would drop Europe) and a few days later they restart talks on this.
Telegram isn't in trouble because they are a ""private"" messenger because 1) they aren't and 2) they basically asked for it. They are hosting pirates, drug dealers and scammers and they refuse government requests for the data they have about the user. That is the issue: not complying with data requests. For example, signal, a truly secure messenger, will comply with data requests and will send the authorities everything they have about a user, which is really not that much to begin with. This whole Telegram story is absolutely unrelated to chat control
I beg to differ - meta both facebook and Instagram have loads of issue with crimes like human trafficking, pornography including the revenge one, scams and even live streams of rapes.
Every time you try to report scams or even impersonating anybody they reply "it doesn't violate community standards"
Is Zuckerberger being accused of human, sex , pedophilia and drugs trafficking
Of course it is about chat control. American companies do allow sniffing the traffic, "the russian" telegram doesn't allow sniffing.
That's the only reason
I'm still confused about people who consider telegram a private chat.
It's easy to verify for yourself that it isn't, so how is this still going around?
"If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face – for ever" (1984 - George Orwell).
Chat, is this real?
Spam 1 if we should be worried
What is chat control?
From what I can glean, it's another sort of mass surveillance, wherein the provider of a chat service would be required to monitor communications for "suspicious activity"
Basically, the government is once again asking for unrestricted access to your personal life "for your own good"
I always thought the "see something, say something" tag-line was creepy as fuck and don't understand why everyone doesn't get the same vibe. It's common sense that if you see someone being harmed or in a harmful situation you speak up. But this is just a blanket "see something" which feels like a dog whistle for all the nosy and paranoid people to spy on everyone and it's for the best. I guess we'll have the same personalities in search algorithms going forward -_-
This flowchart explains it well: 
Source
Shit here we go again.
Already posted about months ago : https://lemmy.ml/post/16469106, it was refused but they will try each time, again and again. Waiting for the 4 September result.
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