Boy, 16, fatally stabbed at shopping centre in Melbourne's west (www.abc.net.au)

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[-] Baku@aussie.zone 8 points 1 week ago

Side note: it really irks me that almost every ABC article has "allegedly" somewhere in the title.

I get they're all paranoid about being sued, but this isn't alleged, a kid was ACTUALLY stabbed. That can't be disputed, and you can't be sued for defamation for claiming that something that actually happened, happened.

For some people it's "POV:". For me it's "allegedly this situation that very obviously happened, happened".

[-] zero_gravitas@aussie.zone 3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

The headline on the article page is (currently) "Boy, 16, fatally stabbed at shopping centre in Melbourne's west", so I don't know why the share-preview headline has 'allegedly'

[-] Baku@aussie.zone 2 points 1 week ago

Thanks z! I've updated the title

[-] princessnorah@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 week ago

Not in the title, but "allege" and it's variants are used eight times in the article.

[-] Cypher@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago

It is journalistic good practice, and not merely fear of defamation suits.

[-] Baku@aussie.zone 1 points 4 days ago

Negative, it is poor journalistic practice.

[-] Duenan@aussie.zone -1 points 1 week ago

For legal reasons they have to use alleged until court proceedings make a judgement officially or it becomes defamatory.

[-] Baku@aussie.zone 1 points 1 week ago

How is it defamatory? It's not defamatory. It doesn't accuse a specific person of stabbing anyone, and a situation can't be defamation. Unless shopping centres or suburbs can sue for defamation, in which case, they still couldn't, because it objectively happened.

[-] Duenan@aussie.zone -1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Because it hasn’t been tried in court and an official ruling hasn’t been made.

https://www.smh.com.au/national/alleged-crimes-and-obscured-identities-how-does-crime-reporting-work-20210302-p5772w.html#

There are technicalities to the legal system, if you name them as a murderer and the case was acquitted or a different outcome came of it from the court ruling you have just named them a murderer when technically they weren’t and you have defamed them.

[-] Baku@aussie.zone 1 points 1 week ago

Yes, but in regard to the title, nobody was accused, therefore nobody can sue for defamation.

[-] Deceptichum@quokk.au 6 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

He said there would be an increased police presence at the shopping centre and more patrols over the coming days.

Why? Are they expecting this random kid already in custody to go back and commit more? Did the security get around to stopping it last time? Will the increased presence last forever or just long enough for the public to forget? because it’s clearly not there to stop the person already in custody.

Such a meaningless response to the tragedy at hand.

[-] wscholermann@aussie.zone 5 points 1 week ago

Yes, it's all about optics.

[-] Salvo@aussie.zone 4 points 1 week ago

Saved you a click; It was Woodgrove in Melton, It wasn’t Highpoint (if it was Highpoint, it wouldn’t be News).

[-] Baku@aussie.zone 1 points 1 week ago

This comment looks familiar...

[-] Salvo@aussie.zone 1 points 1 week ago

Sorry, was my tasteless joke similar to those deleted comments? I will happily delete it if you don’t approve.

[-] Baku@aussie.zone 3 points 1 week ago

Nah, but I stole the article off Reddit (although linked to a better source, because fuck 7news), and the top comment on that thread was also "Woodgrove, Melton. Saved you a click"

https://www.reddit.com/r/melbourne/comments/1fo5l9z/comment/loni1r8

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