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cross-posted from: https://discuss.online/post/12273255

I've only been on Lemmy a few days and I've already witnessed a lot of thinly veiled transphobia, anything from people dismissing the existence of trans people, to trying to claim we are predators. I've also seen people downvoted in the general communities for expressing trans support, or seemingly for no reason other than simply being openly trans or visibly queer. I know it's an ongoing effort to moderate transphobia on Lemmy, and the fediverse as a whole. We have to also address mentions of thinly veiled transphobia and transphobic users. Transphobia isn't just a differing opinion, it is a dangerous hateful sentiment which causes harm to vulnerable people and it needs to be addressed, at the instance and community level. We need to put in the effort to identify transphobic dogwhistles and language used by transphobes to eradicate this type of behavior from our communities and servers alike.

Some people will argue that the light stuff isn't something to worry about, but that's not true. This is a tactic they use to blend in with normies and make them think that nothing they are doing or saying is wrong. It's what transphobic right-wing YouTubers and Facebook users do to avoid being banned for hate speech. We are better than these corporations though, Fediverse is run by communities and for the users, we should not let these things slide as easily as Corporations do, they're in it to make money, we... We're in it to create a community for the users. Part of that means kicking out those who don't have all our best interests at heart.

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[-] StopJoiningWars@discuss.online 0 points 8 minutes ago

Fuck off with your cohorts. You're not even fighting for equal rights anymore, you clearly all want the spotlight and thrive from the attention like whores.

On top of that you're all buddy-buddy with the mods, it's like crying to your parents every time you have an issue. Clearly shows what kind of weak-willed brigade you are.

Bet you'll go cry to your mod buddies and get this and any other disagreeing opinion removed.

How. Fucking. Typical.

Cowards.

Real LGBT community members wouldn't differentiate between themselves and other groups, since the goal is inclusiveness. You're all about division.

So fuck right off with your fake reality TV star movement.

[-] Blaze@feddit.org 4 points 9 hours ago

Following the discussion here as the LW thread got locked

[-] Blazingtransfem98@discuss.online 3 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

Just as well, the Lemmy.world one was filled with transphobes and transphobia apologists. No progress to be made there unfortunately.

Lemmy.world might be a lost cause, maybe defederation of .world should be more widely considered...

[-] dessalines@lemmy.ml 22 points 21 hours ago

Use the report button also to report transphobia, so we can get to it asap.

[-] Celediel@slrpnk.net 5 points 19 hours ago

lol when are you gonna "get to" this one?

[-] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml 4 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago)

Underdeveloped take from Dessalines: the bourgeoisie love to promote bigotry while covering themselves in a cloak of progressivism

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 23 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago)

Hexbear is easily the most trans-positive instance, and it isn't close. Strictly anti-chaser, pro-trans, there's even a cis/trans questionaire that shows trans and trans-questioning members outnumber cis members when put together.

Lemmy.ml's trans community has fantastic mods, but unfortunately Lemmy.ml itself isn't as protective of its trans users. I try to report transphobia when I see it, but I see a lot more transphobia on Lemmy.ml than I do on Hexbear.net, which is a symptom more of the userbase than the mods IMO.

[-] TC_209@hexbear.net 52 points 1 day ago

On Hexbear, transphobes are executed on sight.

I wish more instances would handle banning transphobes the way Hexbear does. No tolerance for Bigotry. Lemmy.world though seems to unfortunately be quite lenient about it ☹️

[-] ulu_mulu@lemm.ee 1 points 46 minutes ago

Lemmy.world was my first instance, it was a nice place while it was below 1k users, then it started to grow fast and degenerate until it's become a complete cesspool from all points of view, not just bigotry.

I fled (I'm cis).

[-] kristina@hexbear.net 26 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago)

the votes arent completely tallied yet, but since its relevant to this discussion, take a look at this one result from a survey. 266 trans people unanimously agree that hexbear is a transgender inclusive space.

[-] IcyToes@sh.itjust.works 14 points 1 day ago

Lemmy.world is quite right wing. A reasonably large proportion of insufferable folk. Better off with Hexbear if you're a communist or BeeHaw is another option. Blahaj also an option.

Hope you find the right place for you.

[-] Blazingtransfem98@discuss.online 3 points 14 hours ago

That would explain a lot about the atmosphere there, the fact that there are so many people spouting thinly veiled transphobia and excusing transphobia.

[-] combat_doomerism@hexbear.net 36 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

obviously i can't speak for my trans comrades on hexbear, but from what I can tell it is genuinely the most trans friendly place on the internet. it has gone through more than one purge of even subtle transphobes, and it's one of the few places where both cis and trans people can join in harmony on bullying cis people. Additionally, the mods are extremely quick to ban any new transphobes who wander in. all this to say if the transphobia of the rest of the lemmyverse ever gets to be too much even if you aren't a full on socialist the trans comms on hexbear can still make an account there worth it for anyone who needs a respite from it all

[-] TheOubliette@lemmy.ml 28 points 1 day ago

I'm sorry you've had to experience that transphobia on Lemmy. It is unfortunately common. And sometimes it even lurks as internalized transphobia in people that do not think of themselves as transphobjc. For example, there are Lemmy instances that actually promote chasers.

I believe all instances if transphobia should be called out and obvious examples should result in bans. Sometimes it is good to let people have a chance to accept criticism and retract but I am biased towards more often banning. Comments that are transphobic should also be removed.

Most people who are transphobic know what they are doing, I'm certain the people I saw do. They're not going to change, they need to be given the boot to protect our communities from becoming Nazi bars.

[-] TheOubliette@lemmy.ml 18 points 1 day ago

Oh yes, sorry if I implied giving these particular people a break. I was speaking more generally but miscommunicated. The people you mentioned should all be banned in my opinion.

[-] dohpaz42@lemmy.world 14 points 1 day ago

I read a post earlier tonight from tumbler that made me uncomfortably aware that I am naive when it comes to dog whistles and other subtleties people use to spread their hate. It laid out examples of things people are saying, and explained why they’re bad.

I know I would find it helpful and educational to know where you’re coming from, and to see the examples you’re speaking about.

Sure I can provide some examples:

I just wish they wouldn't force their gender and pronouns onto other people

Translation: Doesn't believe trans people are valid and doesn't think people should respect our preferred pronouns

I just think that they need to keep it to themselves and leave kids out of it

Translation: Doesn't believe we should exist in public, that we are a threat to children by virtue of being transgender.

It's important to protect women's spaces

Translation: Trans women shouldn't be allowed to use the same spaces cis women use

There's also more subtle ones such as people referring to cis women as real women, or referring to the transgender movement as gender ideology. The first one is wrong because trans women are real women, and the second one is wrong because transgender isn't a religion or organization like a church. They are calling it an ideology so they can pretend there is an institution to fight against, in reality transgender people just exist and want to live our lives.

[-] GammaGames@beehaw.org 12 points 1 day ago

Posts like this make me glad for my instance

[-] Corgana@startrek.website 7 points 22 hours ago

I do not think the future of the fediverse lies in general purpose instances but that said, IMO Beehaw is the gold standard of a general purpose instance.

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