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I skimmed the study itself but couldn't find how this compares to 2020 turnout of the same group. Just that it's "lower" and has a +/- of 4% margin.
“Christians” is doing some heavy lifting in this headline
Seriously, though. “Christians” includes anyone within the net of the Abrahamic religions? This is the widest cast of people possible makes everything said after the title insignificant.
What might be significant, though, is the Muslim population that is disappointed in Harris for not taking a harder stance against Israel, and has threatened not to vote at all.
Personally, I think it’s asinine to avoid a vote because the options are between someone who is not taking a hard line against Israel, and another who is on the record saying that Israel should “finish the job”, but then… I’m not a single-issue voter, so these things affect me differently.
I'm not Muslim, but if my options were to vote for someone who wants to kill my family vs someone who won't stop selling weapons to those who are actively killing my family, I can understand why they wouldn't be super excited at those choices.
Not really, if you look at the history of Christianity, they’re right on brand. You’re just accustomed to an odd kind of “Christianity-lite” that manifested over the past century of so, mostly to keep the religion alive as it risked being left in the dust by social progress.
Anecdotal, but there was considerable dissatisfaction and exhaustion with Trump amongst the religious in my hometown back in 2020. Most of them still supported and voted for him, but that any peeled off was novel. Not that they'd ever vote Dem, but simply not voting GOP in a presidential election was a big deal. It's not inconceivable that the number has increased since.
Perhaps one or two could even be convinced to support the party that advocates for charity, kindness and goodwill to the poor. Responsible stewardship of gods creation. Openness to forgiveness and redemption for criminals. Treating your neighbors well. Just generally doing unto others as you would have them do unto you, even when you do not fully understand them.
Let's not get crazy
No, let's stick to pulling ourselves up by our bootstraps the same way Jesus did: by having a powerful father.
They're fine with charity as long as they decide who is deserving of the money. They love government handouts as long as they are going to Christofascist pursuits. Just as Jesus taught us, I guess.
No that's communism, they'd say
but abortion
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It would be ironic if all they did was show up to overturn roe, and this election would have had them sit out the election, but then due to the abortion ammendments they were pushed back into voting.
Get out and vote.
If they get write-in ballots, maybe write "Jesus Christ."
Get out of here donagy
"Votes for Jesus go to the Republican."
- Leslie Knope
Works for me. Fuck em
Calling BULLSHIT. What part do they disagree when it comes to religion?
- Child sex - supported by religion.
- Rape - supported by religion.
- Killing the innocent - supported by religion.
- Controlling women - supported by religion.
- Anti LGBTQ+ - supported by religion.
- Hatred of other races - supported by religion.
So what is it that will make them change this time?
You might also point out, for balance, that the opposites of those things can also be expected within religious frameworks.
With or without religion, it is people who purposefully carry out those actions while more often than not being aware they can be conceived of as harmful. You can try to take religion away from people, but don't expect hate to go with it.
Multiple cultures were well organized and thriving before established religion was forced on them.
The opposite isn't laid out like the good ol hate.
A form of religion will always exist or have existed. The problem when mass religions is the hive mind effect. People are outnumbered and go along with the groups even if it is against them.
Multiple cultures were well organized and thriving before established religion was forced on them.
I don't choose to pretend that previous e.g. animist spiritual systems were not religions. This is because I define religion by human practice and adherence, as humans define religion in a world where they invent it.
Yeah, to me religion is just cultural, ceremonial, practices designed to deal with their lack of understanding of the natural world, and assumption of supernatural forces. While animism wasn't religion as we know it, it did have it's adherence to practices, and ethics, etc. They were far more local, more based on individual tribes. They were religion, none the less. Just not widespread, centralized, formalized, religion as we see today.
Still plenty of people being spiritual 'in their own way'.
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It’s not enough to not to vote. It’s critical the we vote AGAINST any and all of these extremists. That’s the only way to begin bringing any sanity to our political dialogue.
We live in a two party system. Not voting for your guy is essentially a vote for the other guy. Especially when elections are this close.
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That seems odd to me considering that antiabortion rules are on the line. I would think they'd be especially motivated to support Trump and get the Senate flipped Republican to keep a federal law from getting implemented to reverse the decision that government can force doctors to let you die if a fetus is the one killing you.
From my experience in my very red state, there's a high degree of cognitive dissonance when it comes to those things. A family friend who's very religious is secretly undergoing IVF even though the church banned it's use because they want a child more than the threat of excommunication. Supposedly they'll be forgiven for going against the church since they're "fundamentally good" people.
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