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[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 13 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 50 minutes ago)

Hey, mods? Mind explaining which parts of the comments you removed were "misinformation?"

Was it the part where I said the opinions of the people sending the bomb shipments don't change the genocide when the IDF uses them regardless?

Was it the part where I said the US brutally exploits the Global South with predatory IMF loans?

Was it the part where I called Israel a "settler-colonial" project?

Was it the part where I said a democratic One State Solution is the only way to end the genocide, given Israel's dependency on Settler-Colonialism?

Was it where I said Biden approved the IDF's invasion of Lebanon?

Was it the part where I said the Democrats are supporting the IDF in committing genocide?

Or maybe it was the part where I said the US uses Israel to help secure the Petro-Dollar, and therefore doesn't care about the Palestinians at all, and hasn't since the 1940s?

Here's what Joe Biden has to say:

In 1986, then-U.S. Sen. Joe Biden said, “[Supporting Israel] is the best $3 billion investment we make. Were there not an Israel, the United States of America would have to invent an Israel to protect her interests in the region.”

Just want to know which part of that is "wrongthink" on Lemmy.world. This blatant defense of Zionism is ridiculous.

[-] nyamlae@lemmy.world 2 points 20 minutes ago* (last edited 18 minutes ago)

Probably the parts where you said "Biden has given Israel everything they want", which is blatantly false, and your statement that "They are doing the same amount of genocide", which cannot be meaningfully assessed when the genocide in Gaza only ramped up under Biden -- and there is good reason to believe that Trump would, in fact, be much worse.

The Dems are evil, but being dishonest about their flaws is foolish, unproductive, and deserving of censorship.

[-] nexguy@lemmy.world 2 points 24 minutes ago

Well you did say that Dems and Republicans are supporting the same amount of genocide when clearly Republicans are the only one of the two supporting the genocide happening to the Ukrainian people.

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[-] mlg@lemmy.world 3 points 16 minutes ago

600 upvotes you reddit migrants must be proud

[-] Snapz@lemmy.world 1 points 58 seconds ago* (last edited 39 seconds ago)

That's not far left, it's undereducated middle of the road (with instinctual appeal to right tendencies)

[-] kaffiene@lemmy.world 5 points 1 hour ago

When strawman versus just one person isn't anywhere near enough

[-] leadore@lemmy.world 3 points 54 minutes ago

At least the meme acknowledges what a messed up hair trigger situation it is there, as it has been forever, and debunks the naive belief that USA simply cutting off its support would magically bring peace to the region instead of World War 3.

[-] andros_rex@lemmy.world 21 points 2 hours ago

Kamala might fund genocide in Israel. But Trump will fund genocide in Israel, and genocide here.

We can be ideologically pure when we don’t have fascists at the doorstep. Thousands of children just FUCKING VANISHED during Trumps term. What’s going to happen during his second? Texas was (is?) putting barbed wire in the river on the fucking border. Trump will give free rein to murderous politicians (Texas is also about to execute another innocent man btw). People are going to die here.

[-] sudoer777@lemmy.ml 2 points 17 minutes ago

I watched the presidential debate between Harris and Trump, and one of Harris's main talking points was that the Republicans weren't doing enough at the border.

[-] return2ozma@lemmy.world 8 points 1 hour ago

Oh yes. This will surely win over those far left voters.

[-] eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 1 hour ago

Insulting people is how you get voters, right?

[-] kaffiene@lemmy.world 4 points 59 minutes ago

Don't forget grossly misrepresenting their points of view

[-] hydrospanner@lemmy.world 1 points 31 minutes ago

I know Lemmy isn't the place to speak badly of anyone far to the left, but honestly?

If they aren't going to be persuaded to vote Harris by the other side of the ticket, I'm not optimistic they'll be persuaded by people on the Internet being sweet and polite to them.

So imo, who gives a shit about insulting them? It's pretty clear OP wasn't intending a post like this to win hearts and minds.

[-] emmy67@lemmy.world 24 points 2 hours ago

Nobody expects Kamala to solve it. They do expect her to stop supporting genocide.

[-] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 52 minutes ago

i mean, to my knowledge maybe i'm wrong i don't follow this conflict very closely, but so far the only source i've seen for it being genocide was the ICJ ruling that it "might be genocide if this continues getting worse" which i dont believe was followed up on.

A number of history scholars or whoever have claimed that it "amounts to genocide" or is "effectively genocide" (im being really generous with the phrasing here) which people have equated to mean "there is genocide"

The ICC has put out a warrant for the funny israeli guy, doesn't mention genocide.

I don't know if any countries have explicitly called it genocide? Aside from maybe south africa, idk how they raised the case. But if you know of any cases, inform me, i am actually curious about that one.

and if we go with a strict definition of genocide, I.E. "strictly killing related to ethnicity" and extrapolate that to a test of "would the killing stop if the conflict stopped" i personally so no reason why israel would continue to kill people in the same capacity as they are not, or at all, if the conflict magically stopped entirely.

People also point to the UN definition of genocide being incredibly broad. The US bombing japan in WW2 would arguably be genocide under that definition, most wars would constitute genocide. Now to be clear, i don't think it's bad, it's just a legal definition, meant to be held out in a court of law, which usually tend to be pretty vague, until tried.

Frankly, i think it would also be rather unprecedented for someone in a higher position of power to call this a "genocide" as well. Who knows what kind of a mess that would entail. It's certainly not something you want to throw around if you want the rest of the government, and the american public to like you. Which is, the goal of politics.

I don't really see any reasonable expectation for her to call it a genocide. Expectation to callout war crimes and various other wrong doings? As well as retracting support? Absolutely.

Although little fun fact, right now the harris campaign isn't running on policy, as policy gives something for trump to attack, so without policy he can't attack anything she says, aside from her character, so it's pretty likely they're trying to outwit trump in that regard, if you're wondering why she doesn't talk about things like this more specifically.

[-] merc@sh.itjust.works 25 points 3 hours ago

Trump would be a disaster for the middle east. He wouldn't even be good for Israel. Sure, he'd support Israel now, but Trump loves strongman leaders, and there are plenty of them in the middle east, so he'd love Netanyahu, but he'd probably also cozy up to any other regional strongmen and destabilize things even more.

But, the Biden/Harris admin has been effectively sponsoring the genocide by giving military aid to Israel. It's clear that Israel is the biggest military power in the region, and it has been for decades. It has no need for military aid. The best way to help civilians is to make Israel afraid to piss off its neighbors. Right now it's convinced it could beat them in any war, so it's happy to grind the Palestinians into dust, daring Iran, Egypt, etc. to interfere.

Yes, it's a complex geopolitical issue, and an all-out regional war would put many more civilians in danger, not just the Palestinians. But, giving military aid to Israel while they engage in genocide isn't a good way to prevent a regional war.

Even if you're a single-issue voter who doesn't care about women's reproductive health, doesn't care about the rule of law, doesn't care about free speech, doesn't care about corruption, and is only 100% focused on the fate of Palestinians, even then you should be voting for Harris. Even if you don't like her policies, there's still a slight chance she'd listen to reason once elected. Trump would be an utter disaster.

[-] leadore@lemmy.world 1 points 40 minutes ago

The best way to help civilians is to make Israel afraid to piss off its neighbors.

But you see, Israel existing at all is what pisses off its neighbors and that will never change no matter what they do or don't do.

[-] Soup@lemmy.cafe 8 points 2 hours ago
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