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[-] GhostFaceSkrilla@lemmy.world 27 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

This is extremely misleading. Fuck Trump 10000 times and kamala is the only sane choice, but stop trying to paint over reality to try and make her look like she's not just a lesser evil.

She didn't just "not promise to solve 1000 year conflict" (which the genocide has been going on for the last 75 years),

she did promise to continue funding genocide with American taxpayer dollars. (Of which the US has been giving and average of $5 billion in tax dollars and weapons to Isreal per year for the last 75 years, since they first invaded Palestine).

We are voting for her because she is the lesser evil. We don't have to be happy about it or stop criticizing her on her bad policies.

Basically: Vote for Harris, but also fuck her for vowing to continue funding genocide. Trump would also keep funding genocide, and he'd also destroy what's left of the west, on top of every other obvious reason he should never be in power again (and never should have been).

[-] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 9 points 40 minutes ago

OP consistently makes posts that only divide the Dem base.

Considering they started out with AI posts lying about early voting, I guess it's an improvement?

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[-] febra@lemmy.world 20 points 1 hour ago

First and foremost, this isn't a 1000 year war. It's a bit over 100 years at most. The colonization of Palestine started around 100 years ago. Israel was founded in 1948.

Secondly, Kamala isn't working towards achieving shit. Her government is literally still sending weapons to Israel as Israel is shooting at UN peacekeepers, burning people alive, attacking five different countries, and much more worse.

[-] GracerGracCRAG@lemmy.world 7 points 59 minutes ago

The jews had been subjugated by the ottomans well before the 1900s, even after as well. The 29 massacure sucessfully genocided (formal definition) The Jewish population that had lived in that city for literally 1000s of years. There are no Jews left in Hebron, despite being 15% of its population in the 20s.

Denying this shit has been going on for a 1000 years denies history.

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[-] Kagu@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 hour ago

"Dude look at how stupid you look in this strawman I made of you!"

[-] bloodfart@lemmy.ml 1 points 33 seconds ago

If you’re tired of this kind of crap you can vote for the party for socialism and liberation. They’re running de la Cruz on a platform of Palestinian statehood and an end to arms shipments to israel.

[-] Objection@lemmy.ml 4 points 21 minutes ago

More like:

Will solve conflict in the Middle East by letting Israel kill whoever they want, and take any land they want, with full support from the US

vs.

Will solve conflict in the Middle East by letting Israel kill whoever they want, and take any land they want, with full support from the US

[-] puppy@lemmy.world 17 points 1 hour ago

This is just pro Israeli propaganda. This specific conflict started in 1948. The whole UN has voted against Isreal. And you're telling me that that region will have all out war if Israeli troops stopped killing children? GTF outta here.

[-] hark@lemmy.world 1 points 14 minutes ago

This post highlights why liberals are fascists with a friendlier face. The "it's a complicated 1000+ year issue" narrative is the common excuse used to do nothing about the situation (or actively make it worse) while pretending that something is being done. It's the dog and pony show of biden "expressing frustration" about netanyahu while supplying him with all the tools to carry out genocide. You are running defense for genocide while attacking leftists who call to end this genocide. This doesn't make you the enlightened intellectual that you fancy yourself as.

[-] NewDark@lemmings.world 6 points 1 hour ago

More like, I'm not going to vote for Genocide and both candidates support it. Sorry, you can "lesser evil" cry your heart out, but I have a firm line of not literally putting my name in favor of literally the most heinous war crimes imaginable. Kamala can earn my vote with the bare minimum of promising not to rubber stamp all of the bombs blowing up an open air prison of mostly children.

Fuck. Off.

[-] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 1 points 5 minutes ago

You're not signing your name to anything. Democracy is not you saying "THIS PERSON IS LITERALLY PERFECT AND I WORSHIP THEM IN EVERY WAY". That's just not how democracy works at all.

You are always, always picking the least bad candidate.

[-] banner80@fedia.io 44 points 2 hours ago

The comment section for this type of posts is always such a shit show.

This is essentially saying 2 things:

1 - It's insane that some here seem to think that to remain "independent" of politics you can abstain or vote third party to show your discontent for how slowly the Dems deal with Natenyahu's BS. Your abstain or 3rd party vote does nothing to "move the Dems to the left" when in reality you are removing them from power to give it to Trump, who has already promised to triple down on helping Netanyahu achieve whatever he wants.

The election is happening right now. There's no time and space to negotiate new candidates or parties. It's either the disappointing Dems, or the christo-fascist GOP. The time for standing on principle was 3 years ago, or next year at the start of the new cycle. Today is about pragmatism - how close we can get to the desired outcome, and which of these parties is more interested in listening to your position moving forward. It should be abundantly clear that Harris is by a huge margin the better choice for your desired outcomes.

2 - The Israel operation in Gaza, that we all want to stop, is not something that can be just ended with the click of a button. A bunch of actors in that region are hell bent on killing each other, like when Hamas did genocide on Israel last year, and now we have multiple state actors moving armies against each other. The brain-dead premise that somehow Democrats "want genocide" makes it impossible to have a serious conversation.

If you don't vote for Harris over a mess in the Middle East that we didn't directly create and are not directly responsible for, and that the Biden administration is trying to solve even if it's too slow for your taste; and instead you act in favor of helping Trump who will absolutely empower Netanyahu to do whatever he wants, then not only are you directly voting against your own interests, but you are engaging in a level of dumb-fuckery of supreme proportions. And fucking all of us over hard while at it.

In short: By opposing Harris right at the finish line of the election cycle, you are going to inflict Trump's dictator regime and the runaway christo-fascist GOP on the entire planet, because you are dissatisfied with how mediocre Dems have been at trying to stop Israel. You think this makes you virtuous. It does not.

[-] hobovision@lemm.ee 20 points 1 hour ago

I mostly agree with you, especially point (1), but what are you talking about with "Hamas did genocide on Isreal last year"? They did a terror attack for sure, but that's not genocide. Wiping out significant percentage of a population because of their ethnicity or culture is genocide (see what Isreal is doing in Gaza) and it takes months to years.

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[-] index@sh.itjust.works 2 points 36 minutes ago

What's insane is that the US is supporting a genocide and the fascist israel government and there's still people who have the guts to take government side. Shame on you.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_support_for_Israel_in_the_Israel%E2%80%93Hamas_war

1 - USA is already helping israel with "whatever it needs". The support of fascist israel government is already tripled up. There's a disaster already, kids are being murdered daily right now.

2 - Less than a click is needed, usa just have to say that they will stop sending money and weapons to israel if they don't stop and israel government will have to stop. Israel government is waging war because they have the back of USA.

If you don’t vote for Harris over a mess in the Middle East that we didn’t directly create

Learn your history.

[-] ArchRecord@lemm.ee 4 points 50 minutes ago

I think most third party voters just assume Dems want to earn their vote. They don't. They want to earn the vote of undecided people, and republicans that are still somewhat open to another side. It's the whole reason the Dems are as center-right as they are.

They won't see people voting third party and go "Oh my god, we need to get these further-left-than-us voters to agree with us!" They'll go, "We need to pull moderate voters in the swing states that actually dictate our elections over to our side, not only giving us a vote, but negating a vote for Trump too!"

[-] Snowpix@lemmy.ca 3 points 42 minutes ago

History has proven this time and time again. When faced with a loss, the Dems will always look towards the center to gain voters. Because like it or not, the left wing is heavily outnumbered by moderates who are more focused on their own lives than the intricacies of world and domestic politics.

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[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 hour ago

This isn't what's happening, though. The Dems and Reps are aligned on Israel because it isn't a moral issue, but economic, which is why Biden has given Israel everything they want, including approving the invasion of Lebanon. The US supports Israel as a settler-colonial project because it helps the US secure power in the region, securing the Petro-Dollar as the world currency. This is how the US exploits the Global South, through predatory IMF loans, aka Imperialism.

Read To Stop Marx, They Made Zion. The genocide of Palestinians is for economic reasons, it cannot stop without a One-State Solution.

[-] bdonvr@thelemmy.club 4 points 1 hour ago

This is not a 1000 year conflict.

Israel cannot perpetrate it's crimes without the backing of the USA.

Stop excusing genocide and colonialism.

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