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[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 2 points 3 hours ago

This kind of feels like how I constantly get the "which word/shape/number (etc.) in this series is incorrect" questions on tests wrong. I severely overthink it. "Well, these four all have chloroplasts and this other one gains energy from photosynthesis via a symbiotic relationship with another organism, so it must be that one."

*Gets test back*

"Oh, it was the one that didn't live in a rain forest."

[-] paddirn@lemmy.world 3 points 5 hours ago

I think that third one down is actually how they’re teaching it at my kids’ schools now. It’s called “making a 10” I think, basically that same idea, add up to 10 first, then do the rest.

[-] HorseRabbit@lemmy.sdf.org 24 points 17 hours ago
[-] JackbyDev@programming.dev 4 points 1 hour ago

Yeah, this has nothing to do with ADHD.

[-] blind3rdeye@lemm.ee 15 points 16 hours ago

Why are these posts always shitting on teachers? I don't know what teachers you're seeing, but I've never seen any teacher of any subject / age-group ever discourage anyone for thinking about something a different way. Quite the contrary, different ways of approaching problems are always encouraged.

[-] IzzyScissor@lemmy.world 12 points 15 hours ago

My math teacher (at a private school) was just a random students' mom. She had no higher degree and only taught the book. If you got the right answer by using a method not included in the book, it was marked half-credit because she didn't understand and wasn't interested in hearing your logic, because "that's not what the book says".

Being taught by people who have no drive for knowledge and just want to teach the standardized test answers SUCKS.

[-] Backlog3231@reddthat.com 4 points 15 hours ago

I had to memorize multiplication. We weren't taught any other way. 3x3 = 9 because it just is that way, memorize it. I had stacks of flash cards. My mom struggled so hard for weeks to teach me my multiplication tables at home. In the end, I (somehow) passed the multiplication quiz or whatever and did my best to do as little multiplication as I could for the rest of my life. As a result, I still have never learned all the multiplication tables, and have a deep dislike of math or numbers in general.

I bet my education would have been a lot different if I could have learned how to multiply effectively from a young age.

[-] TachyonTele@lemm.ee 1 points 1 hour ago

Same here. Multiples are just a memorized table in my head. I look at solutions like the one in this meme and having never been taught anything like that, I just shrug and add 7 to 9.

[-] Femcowboy@lemm.ee 20 points 17 hours ago

The "ADHD way" is literally what they are teaching in school.

[-] PM_Your_Nudes_Please@lemmy.world 10 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago)

Yup, this is what parents are complaining about when they say math has changed. Before, math was primarily about rote memorization. You just memorized that 9+7 is 16. There were multiplication tables you were expected to memorize and regurgitate ad nauseam. Sure you could count it out on your fingers, but that only works for numbers under 11. For anything above that, you just referred to your memorized addition, subtraction, multiplication, or division tables. But this also meant that numbers outside of those tables were really difficult to do in your head, because you were poorly equipped to actually calculate them out.

Common core math is attempting to make math easier to do in your head, by teaching the concepts (rather than promoting rote memorization) and helping students learn shortcuts to avoid getting lost. 9+7 is 16, but it’s also 10+6 or 8*2, which are much easier to visualize in your head without counting on your fingers.

[-] JackbyDev@programming.dev 3 points 1 hour ago

Yep, and what happens is that when kids need help they can't explain the "new" way from the beginning and only half remember stuff which is extremely confusing to hear as a parent so then the parents get mad at the method.

[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 7 points 17 hours ago

Admittedly I was in school multiple decades ago, but our teachers wanted us to memorize addition and multiplication tables. Which of course made anything outside the tables hard to do. I (and others apparently) thought it would be a great idea to use shortcuts like this.

So many failed tests. So many. When teachers saw us write down that we took the 21 apples multiplied by 7 bushels and just did 2x7, and tack a 7 on the end, they broke out the red pen.

[-] Sam_Bass@lemmy.world 8 points 16 hours ago

this is a false story. everybody knows 7 ate 9

[-] Reddfugee42@lemmy.world 15 points 19 hours ago

You're old school, like me. You're literally describing the "new math" that boomers hate. Teachers are finally teaching kids to do it the way we've always done it in our head.

"8 + 7 is awkward, but if you take two from seven and give it to eight, now you have 10 + 5 and that's easy mental math."

[-] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 15 points 18 hours ago

And the reason they teach it that way is because it’s what the people who are good at math were already doing. Math isn’t about memorization it’s about understanding how numbers work and that’s how numbers work

[-] AI_toothbrush@lemmy.zip 7 points 17 hours ago

I realized something. I relate so much to ADHD memes not because i have it but because they simply do a lot of things that they think only people with ADHD do. In my school they encouraged you to come up with techniques like this. Often 9 is hungry in different ways. Another exmple is multiplication. 5099 is 50100-50 which is much easier to calculate.

[-] JackbyDev@programming.dev 2 points 1 hour ago

This isn't even an ADHD thing.

[-] PM_Your_Nudes_Please@lemmy.world 8 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago)

In my school they encouraged you to come up with techniques like this.

You’re either very lucky and were in a school that went against established norms, or you’re young enough that you were taught the “new” math that boomers hate. Because this is the new math.

Boomers, GenX, and elder millennials were primarily taught via rote memorization. You simply memorized the times tables, and committed “8*3=24” to memory. You didn’t calculate it every time. You just memorized the tables, regurgitated them ad nauseam to appease the teachers, and then referred to those memorized tables for any multiplication you needed to do.

For reference, this is the times table I’m referring to. Our quizzes/tests required you to fill out the entire thing in less than 5 minutes:

We had to fill this out multiple times per week. The goal of the time limit was to force you to memorize it, instead of calculating it out every time. You simply didn’t have time to calculate each one out. Then once you had it memorized, if you ever had to do 8*3, you would just refer to your memorized times tables for it.

But the issue with this is that it doesn’t teach you how to actually do the math in your head, it just teaches you the times tables. You aren’t calculating it out each time, so you don’t develop any shortcuts or methods to make it easier. If a teacher ever saw you turn 9+7 into 10+6, they would bust out the red pen and start slashing. Even though 10+6 is undeniably easier to do in your head, the teachers weren’t concerned with that; They wanted to know that you had memorized what 9+7 is. These memes are primarily aimed at the millennials and GenX with ADHD, because they were the ones who got bored of rote memorization and started coming up with shortcuts (which then got docked points on their quizzes.)

[-] AI_toothbrush@lemmy.zip 1 points 7 hours ago

Ahh i understand. I am gen z and i went to a really good school(at least in maths, the other subjects were still thought in an industrial revolution way). I guess you could say people with ADHD are ahead of the curve because they have less patience for shit they dont want to do.

[-] AgentGrimstone@lemmy.world 11 points 19 hours ago

10 is just easier for me to work with so...

9+1=10 10+7=17 17-1=16

[-] peteypete420@sh.itjust.works 8 points 18 hours ago

No no no. Adding nine is just subtracting one, but adding to the front digit. 9 + 7 is actually 7 - 1=6, then add that 1 to the front. 16. Let's not make more complicated than it needs to be.

[-] Machinist@lemmy.world 5 points 16 hours ago

Holy shit! That's how I do it. Caught so much crap for it when I was a kid.

[-] Zannsolo@lemmy.world 16 points 22 hours ago

No no no 10+7 = 17 and 9 is always one less so 16

[-] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

If your teacher gets mad about breaking an addition problem into easier problems, then that teacher should be fired. Phony tale.

[-] frezik@midwest.social 15 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago)

If anything, these are exactly the techniques that "New Math" was supposed to teach. Your brain doesn't work math the same way as a computer. People who are good at math tend to break the whole thing down into simple pieces like this. New Math was developed by studying what they did and then teaching that to everyone.

I tend to add 9 to things by bumping the tens digit up by one (7 becomes 17) and then subtracting 1 (17 becomes 16).

Most of the arguments against New Math tended to prove the point; our mathematical education was in dire need of fixing.

[-] don@lemm.ee 5 points 19 hours ago

But they posted in italibold, which makes it 420.69% leejit. pwned.

[-] JackbyDev@programming.dev 2 points 1 hour ago

IT IS ILLEGAL TO WRITE LIES IN ITALLIBOLD.

[-] RangerJosie@lemmy.world 10 points 23 hours ago

It took me 3 years to pass HS algebra because the coaches/part-time math teachers didn't like the way I solved problems. I got the right answers. But the way I got them was wrong apparently.

[-] Visstix@lemmy.world 51 points 1 day ago

What does adhd have to do with anything?

[-] net00@lemm.ee 13 points 21 hours ago

Nothing, it has become quite common to say ADHD causes every little odd behavior. I'm not sure if all those people are even actually diagnosed and not just lying for internet points...

I assume people with actual ADHD find it offensive their condition is made fun of by "quirky" idiots online.

[-] WillFord27@lemmy.world 10 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago)

Yep. Just because you do something in a nonsensical, stupid way doesn't mean you have ADHD or that is what someone with ADHD would do. People with ADHD are also "intellectual."

For me, this is how I'd solve 9+7:

Day 1: Fuck it, I'll do it tomorrow

Day 2: Alright gotta do that problem now! Just gonna eat and take a walk to prepare my mind

Day 3: okay for real this time

Day 4: staring intently at problem for half an hour before getting incredibly inspired to do anything else

Day 5: anxiety

Day 6: paralyzed but anxiety

Day 7: Either I actually try to do it and it takes 30 seconds or I give up entirely and flunk the class

Not "hehe quirky look at me I'm so stupid because my brain does things differently, ur so smart I wish I was like you and not so dumb! x3"

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[-] jaggedrobotpubes@lemmy.world 5 points 17 hours ago

You know how sometimes you go outside and there's a bird and you're like, "cool"

classic adhd

[-] JackbyDev@programming.dev 1 points 1 hour ago

If you said squirrel I would've called you ableist.

[-] don@lemm.ee 4 points 19 hours ago

Absolutely fuckall, because apparently no one with ADHD can ever be (an) intellectual.

[-] JayDee@lemmy.ml 2 points 16 hours ago

I don't think manipulating an addition problem so you can equate it to a multiplication problem would be a normal action.

They are probably just using ADHD (not even a diagnoses anymore IIRC - it's all ADD now) as a shorthand for 'funky brain thing goin on'. Not exactly good, but I don't really think it does any meaningful harm either.

[-] JackbyDev@programming.dev 1 points 1 hour ago

ADHD (not even a diagnoses anymore IIRC - it's all ADD now)

Other way around.

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[-] smeg@feddit.uk 62 points 1 day ago

Mental arithmetic is all little tricks and shortcuts. If the answer is right then there's no wrong way to do it, and maths is one of the few places where answers are right or wrong with no damn maybes!

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Common core made an effort to teach kids to think about numbers this way and people flipped the fuck out because that wasn't how they were taught. Still mad about that.

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[-] bitjunkie@lemmy.world 3 points 18 hours ago

I like the way the second ADHD method is also a flip on the "seven ate nine" dad joke

[-] pythonoob@programming.dev 4 points 20 hours ago

This picture just describes the 'new math' that everyone bemoans.

[-] BigBenis@lemmy.world 3 points 18 hours ago

9+7=10+7-1=16

[-] NerdyPopRocks@lemmy.world 11 points 1 day ago

The second method is very chemistry-like. I do that too naturally

[-] Fatticus@lemmy.world 11 points 1 day ago

I thought that too, 9 is like a halogen, it wants to resolve to 10 anyway it can like fluorine wants one last electron. So allow the 9 to rip one off of the neighboring numbers and then perform the calculation.

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