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‘They don’t think he’s talking about them’: Trump support rises with Latinos (www.theguardian.com)

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Activists in swing Michigan county are alarmed by Hispanic voters backing Trump despite his anti-immigrant rhetoric

Dan Soza has seen the harsh realities of Donald Trump's immigration policies up close and so he is alarmed that many Latino voters in Saginaw, Michigan, do not take seriously the former US president's threats of mass deportations.

As a child welfare officer in Saginaw, Soza places young unaccompanied refugees in foster families and watched the Trump administration's separation of children from their parents at the Mexican border in 2018 with alarm. He said the cruelty of that policy, and the former president's threats against refugees legally in the US, should serve as a warning that Trump might do what he says.

"A lot of people who are Latino or Hispanic -- whether it be in Saginaw, Michigan, or in the country -- when they hear him say those things, they don't think he's talking about them," said Soza.

"What really worries me is that people don't remember their history. This has happened before. We've seen mass deportations before and when it happened American citizens were deported."

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[-] GiddyGap@lemm.ee 3 points 21 minutes ago* (last edited 21 minutes ago)

I'm a dual citizen. I already renewed my EU passport and I'm preparing to move my family out of the US by the end of the year. If Harris wins, I'll consider staying but will likely still move. Seems like half the people around me are ok with letting Trump back in after all we've already gone through with him. Can't have my kids grow up in that environment.

[-] masterbaexunn@lemmy.world 33 points 7 hours ago

Fuck these ladder snatching pricks. These "I got mine so fuck you" mother fuckers. Every single one of them.

Most Americans today are 4th generation at best. Fuck you if you were halfway decent cared about your dumbass ancestry.com results more then helping the billionaire capitalist fucking pig that made them available to you, the maybe you'd see that these FUCKS raped your ancestors and gaslit you into believing if you pay your taxes you can be one of them. Latinos, you'll always be brown.

[-] linearchaos@lemmy.world 4 points 2 hours ago

I think the problem is they came from a place where ladder snatching was the default. Their ancestors just a couple generations ago and probably their relatives at home are still dealing with the same levels of open corruption that we're just seeing here. They were taught and raised to snatch the ladders up. They're ready to play the game for all it's worth because they've been taught They need to play the game and how to play the game.

[-] beanlink@lemmy.world 10 points 4 hours ago

Yup and Cubans do this especially in South Florida. The funniest part is when all the cheap labor started to leave the state and all the old condo buildings they had their grandparents in are being kicked out due to special assessments. They now want the government to step in and prevent those special assessments or get them reduced so they can stay on fixed income.

I would have more empathy if only they had it for others that were not them. Part of the reason why Obama got rid of wet foot dry foot policy for them.

[-] Flocklesscrow@lemm.ee 2 points 39 minutes ago

Man, it's been like that in Miami for decades. A super weird dynamic of old guard Cubans clinging to an incredibly outdated view of world politics, and their younger, deeply Capitalist generations who are consumed with enriching themselves.

[-] jaggedrobotpubes@lemmy.world 22 points 9 hours ago

This is not any more weird than literally anyone supporting him. They're all voting aggressively against their own self-interests.

[-] rsuri@lemmy.world 38 points 18 hours ago

They act like it's somehow makes no sense for Latinos to support Trump, but let's be honest: it makes no sense for anyone to support Trump.

[-] match@pawb.social 42 points 21 hours ago

como se dice "leopards eating faces"?

[-] samus12345@lemmy.world 25 points 21 hours ago

¡Nunca pensé que los leopardos me comerían la cara!

[-] JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 2 points 3 hours ago

Is 'cara' face?

Does it take the gender of the person it belongs to or is it always feminine?

[-] Someonelol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 2 hours ago

Cara is always feminine. Caro for example means expensive.

[-] card797@champserver.net 40 points 21 hours ago

It saddens me thinking about how stupid our country is.

[-] dan1101@lemm.ee 119 points 1 day ago

How can Latinos not realize how much Trump hates them? It's his main topic, how the dirty immigrants are pouring across the border bringing crime and taking American jobs. He and his cronies say it over and over with every speech.

[-] iorale@lemmy.dbzer0.com 45 points 23 hours ago

There's a popular saying among mexicans that goes along the lines of:

The worst enemy of a mexican is another mexican

There's your explanation, believe it or not.

[-] samus12345@lemmy.world 25 points 21 hours ago

[-] jonne@infosec.pub 57 points 1 day ago

Because they got there legally, he's not talking about them. Except they don't realise that they're voting for a world where border patrol will still harass them based on how they look.

[-] WanderingVentra@lemm.ee 2 points 1 hour ago

I've met two immigrants who came in illegally then got citizenship who support Trump, too 😒

[-] vanontom@lemmy.world 14 points 20 hours ago

And by their names and associations in a database somewhere. I bet there are even some cowards that think voting for him will somehow save them. (Spoiler: It won't, and he's laughing at these fools helping exterminate them.)

[-] 418_im_a_teapot@sh.itjust.works 1 points 38 minutes ago

Kris Kobach removed Kansas voters from the voters’ roll because they had foreign-sounding names (many hispanic). Sure, he got in trouble for it in court, but it was too late to affect the election results. And Trump later appointed him to his election interference commission.

They have the database already. Minorities will be targeted regardless of citizenship.

[-] InverseParallax@lemmy.world 68 points 1 day ago

Because they're not immigrants anymore, he's not talking about them, you see, they're white now.

Irish and Italians did something similar for a while.

[-] Wrench@lemmy.world 24 points 23 hours ago

Their Spanish channels are ridiculously overrun with right wing propaganda. My wife is Venezuelan, and it's crazy the crap her parents believe. And they are sweet, non-hateful people. But they live in a little bubble where all the news fed to them is through a right wing filter, and they don't believe it because it's not like they're watching Fox News or something.

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[-] Asafum@feddit.nl 73 points 1 day ago

My goddamn Guatamalan immigrant coworker yesterday: "Kamala ruined this country, she let in all the illegals and they're ruining everything. She did nothing to stop them!"

Ignorant and brainwashed... Ffs.

[-] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 6 hours ago

Does he know she's not even president and the VP does almost nothing?

[-] kaitco@lemmy.world 51 points 1 day ago

That’s the key. Your coworker isn’t an illegal. They arrived the legit way (in theory). So, it’s those other dirty people who are ruining the country. Not the “immigrants”, but the illegals.

So, of course Trump wouldn’t deport them, right? The GOP fully appreciates the difference between a Guatemalan who came here and has a valid Green Card versus a Mexican who crossed a river, right? The people who refer to all of Latin America as “Mexican countries” wouldn’t just round up anyone too brown and revoke their status?

[-] Gerudo@lemm.ee 66 points 1 day ago

My in-laws came over the border illegally. They busted their ass and are now legal.

They are voting for Trump, again, BECAUSE OF THE ILLEGALS COMING INTO THE COUNTRY.

I shit you not, they love to tell the story of their struggle leaving a war-torn country to get here. Yet, they can't comprehend actually fixing immigration vs. just build a wall. Fuck you got mine.

[-] CaptDust@sh.itjust.works 17 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I don't understand how this can be an interpretation when trump and vance made clear they are indifferent if the immigrants are legal and working. They've pushed the point the springfield immigrant community shouldn't be here, shouldn't be supported, even if they came legally - it's the wrong kind of legal. There's nothing directing which 'legals' are good in their policy.

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[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 24 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I posted an article a few days ago about a guy who came to the U.S. illegally, got citizenship under Obama, was and complaining to Trump about how he can't find workers for his restaurant while praising him and doing the full MAGA thing.

Just made me facepalm.

[-] Asafum@feddit.nl 15 points 1 day ago

I swear every day I get reminded just how fucking horrible and selfish a gigantic portion of humanity is. It really sucks. :/

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[-] ChicoSuave@lemmy.world 17 points 1 day ago

Just ask them "Which one let you in?"

[-] 418_im_a_teapot@sh.itjust.works 1 points 28 minutes ago

I’m torn. Obviously this is an awful and inhumane policy. On the other hand, if it means Ted Cruz gets deported….

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[-] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 30 points 23 hours ago

I would be surprised if Catholicism wasn't playing a big part in that as well.

[-] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 6 hours ago

Catholics aren't nearly as right wing, on the whole, as protestants. At least in the US.

[-] Fuck_Team@lemmy.one 39 points 23 hours ago

The article actually says the Catholicism in Latinos is decreasing but Evangelical Christianity is rising. If that's the case then Evangelical Christianity seems to be more of the cause

[-] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 14 points 22 hours ago

Po-TAY-to, Po-TAH-to, imo

[-] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 6 hours ago

Well, I mean, you did specify Catholicism. Yes, they are both hateful, garbage ideologies... But I think it's still important to make the distinction, particularly when talking about voter demographics.

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[-] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 43 points 1 day ago

Hell, this history was like 4 years ago when he was president and deporting Hispanic immigrants and still hasn't shut up about his border wall or being harsh immigrants. It isn't ancient history or anything.

Do they think that his recent focus on Haitian immigrants means he likes Latino immigrants now?

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[-] cabron_offsets@lemmy.world 14 points 22 hours ago

Baffling.

[-] badelf@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 1 day ago

If you ignore history, you are doomed to repeat it:.

First they came for the Communists And I did not speak out Because I was not a Communist

Then they came for the Socialists And I did not speak out Because I was not a Socialist

Then they came for the trade unionists And I did not speak out Because I was not a trade unionist

Then they came for the Jews And I did not speak out Because I was not a Jew

Then they came for me And there was no one left To speak out for me

by Martin Niemöller, a German Lutheran pastor and theologian born in Lippstadt, Germany, in 1892.

[-] ZeroCool@slrpnk.net 22 points 1 day ago

We've seen mass deportations before and when it happened American citizens were deported."

This is the terrifying reality that these fools don’t realize. Trump’s Schutzstaffel will not care about your legal status. You could be a fourth generation citizen but if your name is even vaguely Hispanic sounding you will not be spared when they start rounding people up. You will be guilty until proven innocent. It’s a serious mistake not to take MAGA at their word when they promise mass deportations.

[-] nemonic187@lemmy.world 18 points 1 day ago

He’s absolutely talking about all of us, no matter what our citizenship status is. That lady and all those who support him will be the first ones to get shipped the fuck outta here because they already have their addresses and phone numbers. There’s a special place in hell for people that sell out their own kind.

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