299
That's good. Prison Labour is modern slavery
It's still legal to have punitive slavery. There is a carve out in the amendment. It is repugnant. We need a 28th amendment declaring an end to all slavery.
California and Nevada finally contemplate an end to slavery
Looking forward to when GEO Group v. State of California reaches an outrageously corrupt SCOTUS.
Bet it gets veto. They just made homelessness illegal so they about to fill shit ton of for profit prisons.
Its a proposition so they cant veto it without another proposition.
It is sad that this will cause a legitimate argument about the constitution.
"Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction. "
Unfortunately I think you're right, the way the thirteenth amendment is written might make laws like this unconstitutional. What we really need is another amendment banning it entirely.
Why would it be unconstitutional? The amendment doesn't require forced labor, it just allows it. States deciding to nix it as a "punishment" are fully in their rights.
You are correct but SCOTUS has zero respect for the Constitution when they're paid not to, so who knows?
I see zero reason why this would make state laws about it unconstitutional. The constitution does not say it is mandatory for prison slave labor to exist, just that it could
The US constitution not prohibiting something doesn't mean a law or a state constitution can't
How?? The language just makes something illegal. It's not like the one that forced alcohol to be legal.
Honestly, we'd do better with an Article 5 constitution convention.
The constitution was never meant to be something that was interpreted from the lens of when it was written. The Framers specifically made a way for states to rewrite the Constitution to adopt with the changing times.
Edit: clarified my comment as it was a bit ambiguous
~~The constitution was never meant to be a living document.~~
~~See the 27 amendments and the process laid out in Article V for actually changing the damn thing. I think it's weird you referenced the literal part about how to amend it and came to the conclusion that it wasn't supposed to be amended. Just cause politicians have given up on their duties to work for the general populous doesn't mean the document wasn't meant to change.~~
Edit: previous author rewrote and clarified their meaning.
What do you mean never meant to be a living document?
I'm going to edit my comment to be a bit clearer but the Framers knew that the Constitution wasn't meant for all time, that the document would need to be rewritten to reflect the changing values and issues in the present age. The easiest example is the third amendment. While it's important, yes, that we not be required to quarter troops in our homes, it isn't exactly the main issue facing us as a nation.
Fucking conservative judges, however, seem to think that the "history and culture" of the document should trump whatever issue is going on now.
Ah thanks for the clarification
they enslaved people to move unknown bodies from “Negro Hill Cemetery?”? The fuck..?
While at it, ban profits from prisons.
Associated Press - News Source Context (Click to view Full Report)
Information for Associated Press:
MBFC: Left-Center - Credibility: High - Factual Reporting: High - United States of America
Wikipedia about this source
Media Bias Fact Check | bot supportSearch topics on Ground.News
https://apnews.com/article/california-nevada-forced-labor-slavery-ban-measure-43253e64726ced58050eeb2e553b6708
this post was submitted on 19 Oct 2024
299 points (99.3% liked)
politics
19072 readers
3172 users here now
Welcome to the discussion of US Politics!
Rules:
- Post only links to articles, Title must fairly describe link contents. If your title differs from the site’s, it should only be to add context or be more descriptive. Do not post entire articles in the body or in the comments.
Links must be to the original source, not an aggregator like Google Amp, MSN, or Yahoo.
Example:
- Articles must be relevant to politics. Links must be to quality and original content. Articles should be worth reading. Clickbait, stub articles, and rehosted or stolen content are not allowed. Check your source for Reliability and Bias here.
- Be civil, No violations of TOS. It’s OK to say the subject of an article is behaving like a (pejorative, pejorative). It’s NOT OK to say another USER is (pejorative). Strong language is fine, just not directed at other members. Engage in good-faith and with respect! This includes accusing another user of being a bot or paid actor. Trolling is uncivil and is grounds for removal and/or a community ban.
- No memes, trolling, or low-effort comments. Reposts, misinformation, off-topic, trolling, or offensive.
- Vote based on comment quality, not agreement. This community aims to foster discussion; please reward people for putting effort into articulating their viewpoint, even if you disagree with it.
- No hate speech, slurs, celebrating death, advocating violence, or abusive language. This will result in a ban. Usernames containing racist, or inappropriate slurs will be banned without warning
We ask that the users report any comment or post that violate the rules, to use critical thinking when reading, posting or commenting. Users that post off-topic spam, advocate violence, have multiple comments or posts removed, weaponize reports or violate the code of conduct will be banned.
All posts and comments will be reviewed on a case-by-case basis. This means that some content that violates the rules may be allowed, while other content that does not violate the rules may be removed. The moderators retain the right to remove any content and ban users.
That's all the rules!
Civic Links
• Congressional Awards Program
• Library of Congress Legislative Resources
• U.S. House of Representatives
Partnered Communities:
• News
founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS