People either don't seem to understand, or are pretending not to understand for political purposes, that Harris has a very thin line to toe until the election. If she says anything strongly in either way regarding Israel/Palestine, she will lose.
Anyone telling you that she is worse than Trump on the issue is a goddamn liar
Harris started her political career by condemning Obama for not perfectly obeying Israel. She votes for Israel every time. She even tells a story how she planted trees for Israel as a child.
The only fine line she is trying to walk is keeping her pro-Palestine voters while doing everything Israel is asking of her.
The only fine line she is trying to walk is keeping her pro-Palestine voters while doing everything Israel is asking of her.
I'm curious what you think Israel is asking of the Vice President of the United States? What is it that you think the VP does?
I’m curious what you think Israel is asking of the Vice President of the United States? What is it that you think the VP does?
She's a candidate talking about what she'll do in her term. Stop playing dumb.
No one is asking her to do anything as VP, this person is saying harris is committed to enabling israel's genocide and has a history of supporting israel unconditionally. we want her to commit to upholding american laws around not supplying arms genocidal regimes as president; which israel categorically is currently. literally every organization that has investigated israeli conduct in Gaza and now Lebanon has come to the same conclusion. The UN, WHO, our own internal analysis.
They've gone way past self defense and managed to kill more of the hostages than hamas has.
She votes for Israel every time.
[citation needed]
Here is a good compilation
https://www.dropsitenews.com/p/can-kamala-harris-wipe-the-blood
"Soon after being elected to the Senate in 2016, Harris earned a reputation as an ardent defender of Israel. She spoke two years in a row at AIPAC conferences and co-sponsored legislation aimed at undermining a United Nations resolution condemning Israel’s illegal annexation of Palestinian land. One of her first international trips as a senator was to Israel where she met with Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu in 2017. “I support the United States’ commitment to provide Israel with $38 billion in military assistance over the next decade,” Harris told an AIPAC conference that year. “I believe the bonds between the United States and Israel are unbreakable, and we can never let anyone drive a wedge between us. … As long as I’m a United States senator, I will do everything in my power to ensure broad and bipartisan support for Israel’s security and right to self-defense.” Harris has compared building support for Israel to the coalitions forged during the U.S. civil rights movement"
I dont think you understand much either, if she doesnt make a stand she will lose
edit: I scanned over the she modifier sorry. yes that would be true. but shes no better either.
remains relevant to others in the thread.
She may lose either way; and you're an idiot if you think people who are disgusted by us supplying weapons to the genocidal regime in israel are worse than trump.
I'd rather put boots on the ground to defend israel than let them continue a genocide of hundreds of thousands of innocents.
I'd add 2a: Even if you don't vote for president be sure to vote down-ballot. You can just leave the president section blank. But don't be tempted to write in someone because that may invalidate your entire ballot.
Writing in a name won't invalidate a ballot, at least not in any state i'm aware of, what lead you to say that? genuinely curious.
In some states a write in has to be registered as a candidate for the write in to work.
At least that’s how it worked when I lived in MD.
lol wow thats nonsense. (that such a rule exists) =)
I love how you're carefully avoiding the Abilene effect and how it could lose the election in even strong states.
Yes, lose. Because
And even if we declare the two viable options - note I said viable there - to be guaranteed as equally detrimental for Gaza when we all know it's not, it simplifies the equation. If we cannot appreciably affect the outcome in our election choice we move to the choice which has the most potential for effect after the election. CLEARLY
And that's the programme. It's been explained so many fucking times that I'm not sure how "but her emails" you need to be not to get it.
This is as clear the nose you sever to spite your face, and it's truly sad to see such cognitive dissonance in someone not voting conservative out of greed or gambler's mindset.
Try to clue in before voting, okay?
it’s a binary choice
its not, as evidenced by the fact there are 5 options, now as we both obviously know FPTP is a horrible system and leads to a collapse of viable parties, but even in that situation you have 3 options. A,B, Neither. and I'm nethier. neither kamala nor trump have policies that i support. and trump can't impact the larger scheme of things i care about my local government prevents that.
non-participation benefits the crueler conservatives
no its a neutral stance, and you're upset that people dont care about your prefered candidate because she doesn't bring anything to the table that my state doesn't already have. if i lived in texas/florida the equation would be different but i don't and harris will easily win in my state.
And that’s the programme. It’s been explained so many fucking times that I’m not sure how “but her emails” you need to be not to get it.
but you don't get it. harris doesn't bring anything to the table. if i was an arab in michigan right now i'd be looking at her ticket and going:
If voting 3rd candidate gets that person to the poll booth and they vote 3rd party/blank/etc and down ticket dems vs not showing up at all. I take that as a win. Its not our fault harris, the alleged law and order candidate, wouldn't commit to enforcing the law on arms sales. if the zionists have a problem with that, well thats on them, maybe you should bitch about them being intransigent about fucking genocide.
Try to clue in before voting, okay?
already voted mate, maybe get a clue in the future on the entire system before opening your mouth. you're position only is rational by assuming there is only one office on the ballot. sadly harris didn't turn it around in time to win my vote. but thats her fault not mine. I have a laundry list of issues that if she ticket any of them personally I would have voted for her. she didn't. not my fault. genocide was just one of the ones where the ask was so small it should have been a no brainer. If the majority of the zionists are willing to support trump if harris won't sell israel weapons I don't particular care and think you should save your ire for them not me.
I'm not preventing harris from not being genocidal thats on her, I'm not stopping zionists from recognizing that israel's behavior is unconscionable, thats on them. If harris loses because of israel's behavior feel free to bitch at those voters they're the ones who caused the loss by not supporting their brothers and sisters of another faith from being subject to a genocidal war.
I'm not the one preventing us changing our voting system to ranked choice. that's on the DNC/GOP. Hell I've canvased and gathered signatures for the damn thing in my state what have you fucking done to kill the spoiler effect?
I'm simply not going to give my vote to a candidate who won't commit to supporting labor and won't commit to not committing a genocide; especially when it won't change the outcome in any manner.
Abilene effect
also what makes you think we're part of the same group? This simply doesn't apply.
edit: changed jews -> zionists, because its not the jews in america causing this problem.
She might just lose for not saying anything strongly anyway.
Trump supporters always underreport in polls. She's not holding her own in the swing states. Harris is going to lose and usher in fascism and the end of the republic, all so she can take some sweet, sweet far-right-wing foreign government bribes.
Yeah, but then centrists will get the right wing policies they want and get to blame the left for it.
And get to fund raise off it
Aaaaaaaaaand immediately gets called antisemitic...jesus christ these people...
Guess what Israel? Semites include Arabs, Jews, Akkadians, and Phoenicians. So you're being antisemitic by killing all of them!
"Many, including myself, always suspected that she held this warped, antisemitic view of Israel’s self-defense against Hamas barbarism. But the cat is now out of the bag,” he said to the US outlet on Saturday.
“Her view is as ignorant as it is malign. … To give credence publicly to this disgusting blood libel disqualifies Harris from holding any public office, let alone the presidency,” he added." (He then did a little happy jig and said to himself "we got 'er! Antisemitic married to a Jew, people are too dumb to realize I'm a lying sack of shit!")
Heeeeereeee we go with this bullshit...
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