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IDF reveals Hezbollah cash bunker beneath Beirut hospital, housing over $500 million (www.ynetnews.com)

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[-] Sundial@lemm.ee 25 points 2 months ago

This whole article reeks of the same bullshit the IDF made up when they said Hamas had a base under a hospital when they blew it up at the beginning of the conflict. I'll believe it when this gets verified by independent journalists. Too bad the IDF keeps targeting them.

[-] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 13 points 2 months ago

Pretty sure they just reused the same video game animation from the last hospital.

Either way, a cgi model is not proof.

[+] fukhueson@lemmy.world -15 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

While unsure about the Qatari hospital, this is not unfounded.

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/us-believes-hamas-used-al-shifa-hospital-evacuated-before-israeli-operation-2024-01-03/

The U.S. intelligence assessment was reported first by the New York Times. A classified version of the assessment was sent to lawmakers in the U.S. Congress.

Israeli tanks advanced on Gaza City's Al Shifa hospital, with some patients still inside, in mid-November. Israel said the hospital sat atop tunnels housing headquarters for Hamas fighters using patients as shields, which Hamas denied.

Israeli assessment's was at least partially correct that some hostages were held at or under the complex but those hostages appeared to have been moved as Hamas evacuated, the New York Times reported.

In November, White House national security spokesman John Kirby said, opens new tab Hamas militants were sheltering themselves in the hospital and using the facility as a shield against military action, placing patients and medical staff at risk.

"We have our own intelligence that convinces us that Hamas was using Al Shifa as a command and control node, and most likely as well as a storage facility," Kirby said in November. Washington had at the time not declassified the sources of the U.S. intelligence.

[-] Sundial@lemm.ee 17 points 2 months ago

U.S. intelligence agencies have not disclosed the evidence on which they based their assessment. The official said the U.S. had independently confirmed the information.

"Trust us bro. We had to commit war crimes bro."

U.S. intelligence agencies obtained information that Hamas fighters had largely evacuated the complex days before Israel's operation and destroyed documents and electronics as they left, according to the American official.

Oh so it was no longer being used as a base then? Why did they have to attack it then? Convenient that Hamas cleaned out the "base" before leaving.

[+] fukhueson@lemmy.world -10 points 2 months ago

Did Hamas let anyone know they were leaving?

And the first meme doesn't play in this situation.

[-] Sundial@lemm.ee 6 points 2 months ago

Did Hamas let anyone know they were leaving?

I would imagine they might have left some kind of trail along with the "undisclosed" intelligence that the US and Israel is claiming they have.

And the first meme doesn’t play in this situation.

Yes it does. You just don't want it to.

[+] fukhueson@lemmy.world -8 points 2 months ago

When your second comment asks why it was "no longer" used as a base, "trust us bro" doesn't work when you're admitting yourself it was used as a base just prior.

Perhaps Hamas could let anyone know they're moving out.

[-] Sundial@lemm.ee 4 points 2 months ago

Go back and read my comment. I never said I believed they were actually using it as a base. I was remarking how "convenient" it was that they claimed there was a base but there happened to be no evidence of the base when they attacked. It's called sarcasm when my bullshit-o-meter goes off the charts.

I'd rather Israel let everyone know when they move out.

[+] fukhueson@lemmy.world -8 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Ah gotcha, "didn't really mean it," and it isn't the case that there was no evidence, the assessment was circulated to congress.

[-] Sundial@lemm.ee 3 points 2 months ago

So the evidence presented to the public was debunked but the actual "evidence" was given to Congress in a classified debriefing? And you wonder why people are calling bullshit?

[+] fukhueson@lemmy.world -6 points 2 months ago

What was debunked?

[-] Sundial@lemm.ee 4 points 2 months ago

bullshit the IDF made up when they said Hamas had a base under a hospital when they blew it up at the beginning of the conflict.

[-] fukhueson@lemmy.world -5 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Ah, understood, based on my reading, I don't see anything "debunked."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2024/01/03/hamas-gaza-israel-alshifa-tunnels/

The newly declassified information, obtained by U.S. spy agencies, shows that militants destroyed documents and electronics at the complex in advance of the Israel Defense Forces raid, according to U.S. officials, speaking on the condition of anonymity because of the matter’s sensitivity.

“We have information that continues to support our conclusion that Hamas and Palestinian Islamic Jihad used the al-Shifa Hospital complex and sites beneath it to house command infrastructure, exercise certain command and control activities, store some weapons, and hold at least a few hostages,” said one official. Palestinian Islamic Jihad is another Gaza-based militant group, allied with Hamas in the fight against Israel but under separate command.

[-] Sundial@lemm.ee 5 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I know you don't.

EDIT: Nice ninja edit to add an article to provide "proof". Except the article also questions it's validity.

While U.S. officials say the intelligence community has “high confidence” in its assessment of al-Shifa’s use by Hamas, they have not publicly released visual or audio evidence. The IDF’s claims have also been challenged by a lack of conclusive proof.

Officials would not elaborate on what type of electronics were destroyed, but the action could suggest that the militants were trying to conceal their presence or prevent Israel from obtaining equipment useful for intelligence purposes.

[-] fukhueson@lemmy.world -5 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Oh no... Doesn't sound like it's debunked based on the provided sources.

And I thank you for considering me a ninja, despite my edit not embodying the intent I'm suspecting is cast here.

[-] Sundial@lemm.ee 3 points 2 months ago

Yes it does. You just don't want to admit it.

[-] fukhueson@lemmy.world -4 points 2 months ago

Mmk

[-] deegeese@sopuli.xyz 11 points 2 months ago

How much cash does the IDF have for their genocide operation? Their genocide seems much better funded.

Why are Hamas’ bases in civilian areas called “human shields” while the IDFs are in “densely populated areas ”?

[-] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 10 points 2 months ago

Unlikely. IDF lies constantly.

[-] PyroNeurosis@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 2 months ago

Dogshit title. Should read 'alleges'.

But it is an Israeli source, so...

[-] wildbus8979@sh.itjust.works 7 points 2 months ago

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[+] fukhueson@lemmy.world -6 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Based on their presented intelligence, the bunker is accessible from adjacent buildings, not the hospital itself. The bunker is said to be located beneath the hospital.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/lebanese-hospital-opens-doors-to-journalists-aiming-to-disprove-idf-claim-that-its-housing-hezbollah-cash-bunker/

To all the journalists in Beirut, including those who participated in the press tour in the Al-Sahel Hospital, these are the entry instructions to Nasrallah’s bunker we exposed yesterday:

According to intelligence information, one of the entrances to the bunker, containing more than half a billion dollars in gold and dollars, is on the eastern side of the basement of the Al-Ahmedi building, located south of the Al-Sahel hospital.

The basement is on the second floor down (level -2).

It is important to note that it is possible the entrance is hidden by various means in order to make it difficult to find.

We invite you to this site in which Hezbollah is holding money that was taken from the Lebanese people.

Edit:

https://www.lbcgroup.tv/news/news-bulletin-reports/808268/lbci-enters-sahel-general-hospital-amid-israeli-allegations-of-hezboll/en

As journalists arrived at the hospital and began coverage, Israeli army spokesperson Avichay Adraee posted a message on X, urging the media to move from the hospital to the specific sites he had revealed on a map.

According to him, these sites would lead to Hezbollah's underground bunker.

LBCI attempted to approach the building Adraee referred to. However, young men were stationed below, locking its iron gates with chains. They prevented the crew from filming.

Additionally, when LBCI tried to contact Hezbollah's media representatives to demand permission to film inside the building, the request was declined.

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