606
submitted 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) by trespasser69@lemmy.world to c/technology@lemmy.world
top 50 comments
sorted by: hot top controversial new old
[-] trespasser69@lemmy.world 222 points 2 months ago

Windows Recall today: Your data is private and stays on local machine.

Recall after 2 years: We may use your data to train our AI models, improve our services and personalize your experince.

[-] Railcar8095@lemm.ee 69 points 2 months ago

Best part? It's using your hardware and electricity to train the models.

[-] unrelatedkeg@lemmy.sdf.org 18 points 2 months ago

In a few years they'll charge you monthly for the priviledge of using/knowing what it collected on you.

[-] Sabata11792@ani.social 31 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Recall after 2 years: Your personalized ads are generated on device based on preferences detected by Recall and our partners. Recall shares these preferences with Microsoft and our 23,671.5 partners and 16 nation-state partners around the world to better serve you <3.

[-] r_deckard@lemmy.world 8 points 2 months ago

Pi-hole can block microsoft telemetry domains, just need to keep the blocklists up to date, and flush the Recall cache every day.

load more comments (1 replies)
load more comments (3 replies)
[-] Vince@lemmy.world 20 points 2 months ago

Interesting way to put it. The first thing it made me think is that if they did the 2nd part entirely within your PC, would it be ok privacy-wise, and would the consumers be ok with it?

I haven't looked into the current iterations options, but I think I still want the option to turn it off. Personally I'm less concerned with privacy and more concerned with it using up my computers resources.

[-] voracitude@lemmy.world 67 points 2 months ago

Even if all the processing remained on my devices, I still wouldn't want or trust it. Microsoft could change that policy at any time, claim something like my logging in to my local account constituted agreeing to their new terms, and expose screenshots of my password manager in an unsecured public data store.

Fuck Windows Recall, and fuck Microsoft generally for being so fucking awful to their customers but mainly fuck them for forcing me to finally make good on my threat to switch to Linux. I've been using Windows for over thirty years and switching off their spyware for ten, but this is the final straw.

[-] OutlierBlue@lemmy.ca 20 points 2 months ago

I ditched Microsoft on my new build back in Feb. I installed Mint and it's been a really smooth transition for me. I can still do everything I used to, although I know there are some use cases where it's a problem for people. All the games I've tried run well.

But it does give me peace of mind that someone isn't going to change my settings in a way that benefits them in a patch. I feel like I'm working with my OS to get things done instead of wrestling against what some corporate MBA wants.

load more comments (3 replies)
[-] trespasser69@lemmy.world 13 points 2 months ago

Fuck Windows Recall, and fuck Microsoft generally for being so fucking awful to their customers

Always has been.

[-] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 33 points 2 months ago

No, there’s a bigger context that you’re not considering: enterprise IT orgs in privacy-sensitive/confidential domains.

This whole feature is an absolute non-starter in biotech, defense, finance, and a bunch of other industries. It’s an infosec nightmare. Legal teams will categorically refuse to allow W11 to be installed simply due to the legal jeopardy it would put their own orgs in, since it implicitly trusts MS with who the fuck knows how much data exactly.

I continue to be shocked and baffled that MS isn’t taking their stance on this product as an “always-on” thing back to the drawing board.

[-] Hackerman_uwu@lemmy.world 17 points 2 months ago

I consult in some companies that don’t even allow copy/paste in outlook. Like, these are actually MS security policies that can be set.

How in all of the actual fucks could they allow MS to see everything on your screen.

I agree with your non starter assessment.

load more comments (2 replies)
[-] dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world 30 points 2 months ago

Nah. Even if it's local, I'll burn my CPU cycles on what I want to, thanks. That's like installing a bitcoin miner in your PC and claiming, "But it only runs in the background." Fuck off and buy your own hardware, Microsoft.

[-] nyan@lemmy.cafe 16 points 2 months ago

Even if the storage were strictly local, there would still be some privacy concerns. Hackers can't steal data that isn't there.

load more comments (2 replies)
[-] I_Miss_Daniel@lemmy.world 152 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Set up a new pc for someone today. Turned off all the OneDrive backup options. Rebooted and copied their files from a USB to SATA adapter. They turned the backup settings back on again!

Can't trust Microsoft.

[-] henfredemars@infosec.pub 79 points 2 months ago

Yep. I’ve set up Windows a few times recently, and they don’t give even the slightest consideration for your settings. Few days later, they changed right back.

They will be configured to benefit Microsoft first. Maybe not immediately. But it sounds like a losing game.

[-] MIDItheKID@lemmy.world 9 points 2 months ago

You need to make a Powershell script or batch that uninstalls/turns off the feature and then make a scheduled task that runs the ps1/bat at login.

Its insane that this is what you have to do to keep this shit off your system, but it's effective.

I had to do this with New Outlook because it kept reinstalling after Windows updates.

[-] ogmios@sh.itjust.works 48 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

They "trust me" dumb fucks

May not have been Gates that said it, but it embodies an attitude which appears prevalent throughout big business.

Edit: O&O Shut Up is a free tool that helps you easily turn off/disable quite a few of the worst "features" on Windows.

[-] I_Miss_Daniel@lemmy.world 33 points 2 months ago

I think that was The Zuck.

[-] ogmios@sh.itjust.works 15 points 2 months ago

You would be correct.

load more comments (4 replies)
[-] octopus_ink@lemmy.ml 21 points 2 months ago

Can’t trust Microsoft.

Always has been.

load more comments (2 replies)
[-] Jagothaciv@kbin.earth 10 points 2 months ago

Sure but they are so criminal they turn them right back on in an update.

[-] Solemarc@lemmy.world 92 points 2 months ago

"You can turn it off", "it's an optional feature", they didn't even last a year! What ever happened to slowly boiling the frog?

[-] zipzoopaboop@lemmynsfw.com 24 points 2 months ago

The frog is a captive audience

load more comments (1 replies)
[-] UpperBroccoli@lemmy.blahaj.zone 60 points 2 months ago

(re)Ditched Windows on my PC a while ago, still have to use Windows at work. Just checked my work laptop running Windows 11 (standard laptop, not a "Copilot+PC") - sure enough, that Recall shit is installed and active. Disabled it, and made a post in our main company Teams channel with screenshots. Will be interesting to see if there are any reactions to this.

To find out if it is active in Windows 11, open up 'cmd' and use: (typing this from memory, hope it is correct)

dism /online /get-featureinfo /featurename:Recall

to disable it, you need a 'cmd' instance with admin rights:

dism /online /disable-feature /featurename:Recall

[-] trespasser69@lemmy.world 38 points 2 months ago

It will be re-enabled after update : )

[-] MIDItheKID@lemmy.world 21 points 2 months ago

Mentioned this in another comment. Take that second dism line, and put it in a batch script and make it a scheduled task that runs at login. Or use a Powershell script to make it a little smarter - check if it's enabled first and then disable it if it is.

Modern problems require modern solutions.

load more comments (1 replies)
[-] Railcar8095@lemm.ee 16 points 2 months ago

My company blocks screenshots (luckily we don't have high definition cameras in or pocket at all times, else that would seem stupid) so I'm wondering what they will do if those are user accessible.

load more comments (1 replies)
[-] MudMan@fedia.io 33 points 2 months ago

So wait, did I miss a step or is this NOT the recall feature they announced for Copilot Plus PCs? None of the screen snapshots, none of the AI search.

As far as I can tell it's some variation on the logging search that was in Windows in Win8, right? At least when it comes to user-facing functionality.

EDIT: As far as I can tell, people mentioning this mean the full Recall feature, but even though the package shows up on my Copilot+ PC the functionality itself is nowhere to be seen. I'm still confused about this and relatively convinced something is being missed somewhere.

[-] r00ty@kbin.life 17 points 2 months ago

I've found it very interesting. So far as I can tell it's installed and enabled (even on non co-pilot PCs). However I have yet to see or hear of anyone that has found evidence that it is actually running and doing its job (capturing screenshots and creating the database for the AI model).

To me, the fact it's installed and enabled and they've not stood up by now and said "Ooops our bad, it was only meant to be on copilot PCs and we should have added it to the features menu so you can turn it off" just suggests that, the stuff is there and at some point they will flip a switch on ALL PCs to enable it.

It's quite lucky that a week or so ago when I got some new SSDs, I put aside 2TB for a linux boot to replace my old broken previous linux dual boot. Not booted into windows in over a week.

load more comments (6 replies)
[-] verdigris@lemmy.ml 29 points 2 months ago

Switched back to Linux this week and I couldn't be happier.

[-] rottingleaf@lemmy.world 31 points 2 months ago
load more comments (5 replies)
[-] Oha@lemmy.ohaa.xyz 28 points 2 months ago

Wait! The only selling point of those "AI" PCs runs on non "AI" pcs?

load more comments (1 replies)
[-] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 22 points 2 months ago

Switching to linux few years back is really fucking printing...

I was spending so much time cleaning up windows and then microshit would roll my settings back🤡

[-] ShadowRam@fedia.io 17 points 2 months ago

For FUCK sakes....

I have a 256GB SATA SSD machine here, that I want to put a fresh install of windows on a 1TB M.2

And NOW is the fucking time windows puts out this fucking Win11 24H2 garbage... that's BSOD'ing peoples computers, having other issues, and now this.

load more comments (6 replies)
[-] Coldgoron@lemmy.world 16 points 2 months ago

Saw this bullshit coming, already got a linux mint dual boot setup on my work pc.

PSA: If you have a bigger usb formatted to the ntfs file system, consider switching it to exfat file system when working with linux. I had a hard freeze up and couldn’t get my files off for a bit, and this what I suspect was the issue.

load more comments (2 replies)
load more comments
view more: next ›
this post was submitted on 23 Oct 2024
606 points (98.2% liked)

Technology

60090 readers
2855 users here now

This is a most excellent place for technology news and articles.


Our Rules


  1. Follow the lemmy.world rules.
  2. Only tech related content.
  3. Be excellent to each another!
  4. Mod approved content bots can post up to 10 articles per day.
  5. Threads asking for personal tech support may be deleted.
  6. Politics threads may be removed.
  7. No memes allowed as posts, OK to post as comments.
  8. Only approved bots from the list below, to ask if your bot can be added please contact us.
  9. Check for duplicates before posting, duplicates may be removed

Approved Bots


founded 2 years ago
MODERATORS