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[-] shoulderoforion@fedia.io 342 points 2 months ago

"Ok, lots of Russian trolls out and about.

It's entirely clear why the change was done, it's not getting reverted, and using multiple random anonymous accounts to try to "grass root" it by Russian troll factories isn't going to change anything.

And FYI for the actual innocent bystanders who aren't troll farm accounts - the "various compliance requirements" are not just a US thing.

If you haven't heard of Russian sanctions yet, you should try to read the news some day. And by "news", I don't mean Russian state-sponsored spam.

As to sending me a revert patch - please use whatever mush you call brains. I'm Finnish. Did you think I'd be supporting Russian aggression? Apparently it's not just lack of real news, it's lack of history knowledge too."

fuck yes. fuck russia. fuck russians.

[-] InverseParallax@lemmy.world 197 points 2 months ago

I’m Finnish. Did you think I’d be supporting Russian aggression? Apparently it’s not just lack of real news, it’s lack of history knowledge too."

Man, it's like you spend centuries brutalizing all your neighbors, if not outright conquering them and enforcing holocausts, and this is the thanks you get!

[-] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 42 points 2 months ago

Putin:

Russian culture is so underappreciated 🥺

No, it is appreciated. Just not in the way you want it to be.

[-] mizuki@lemmy.blahaj.zone 45 points 2 months ago

fuck russians? fuck the Russian government and the people who support it, not all the russians.

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[-] Honytawk@lemmy.zip 323 points 2 months ago

He didn't expel all Russians, just the ones working for sanctioned Russian companies.

https://social.kernel.org/notice/AnIv3IogdUsebImO6i

[-] merari42@lemmy.world 112 points 2 months ago

Important context and a good decision

[-] aidan@lemmy.world 44 points 2 months ago

That would've been great for them to clarify earlier XD

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[-] Kronusdark@lemmy.world 192 points 2 months ago

I think given the current political situation this is the right call. No one knows what the Russian government might compel otherwise innocent devs to do.

That said, we (and I mean society, not any particular individual) should be mindful that we don’t slip into bigotry.

[-] ____@infosec.pub 61 points 2 months ago

I’ve worked side by side with RU devs who were both personable and damned competent. Never were their tech skills in doubt, and I retain quite a bit of respect for those individuals.

I’d not do the same today explicitly because of the political and compliance implications. It’s unfortunate, but necessary.

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[-] MilitantAtheist@lemmy.world 165 points 2 months ago

Linus is from Finland. Finns barely tolerate Russians under usual circumstances. These are not usual circumstances.

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[-] TheTechnician27@lemmy.world 137 points 2 months ago

Absolutely based as fuck as usual.

[-] masterspace@lemmy.ca 97 points 2 months ago

To directly quote Linus:

Ok, lots of Russian trolls out and about.

It's entirely clear why the change was done, it's not getting reverted, and using multiple random anonymous accounts to try to "grass root" it by Russian troll factories isn't going to change anything.

And FYI for the actual innocent bystanders who aren't troll farm accounts - the "various compliance requirements" are not just a US thing.

If you haven't heard of Russian sanctions yet, you should try to read the news some day. And by "news", I don't mean Russian state-sponsored spam.

As to sending me a revert patch - please use whatever mush you call brains. I'm Finnish. Did you think I'd be supporting Russian aggression? Apparently it's not just lack of real news, it's lack of history knowledge too.

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[-] vga@sopuli.xyz 92 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Save your sanity and do Settings -> Blocks -> Block instance -> lemmy.ml

Also perhaps block me if you strongly disagree with the above.

[-] TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 74 points 2 months ago

That instance's mods blocked me this morning lol.

The amount of people simping for Russia in that other thread is insane. Apparently calling Ukraine a country of Nazis is fine, but saying Russia is a dictatorship is not lmao.

If you see a tankie or pro Russia comment, 99% of the time it's a lemmy.ml poster

[-] DaTingGoBrrr@lemmy.ml 28 points 2 months ago

Some of us are actually normal

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[-] Sunshine@lemmy.ca 82 points 2 months ago

Good cleanup on the security vulnerabilities!

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[-] Dayroom7485@lemmy.world 69 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Yo this comment section is a dumpster fire 🔥

edit: Remember Russian propaganda's goal is to sabotage free discussion and conversation. They achieve this by e.g. shitting in a comment section. That might explain what's going on here. But then again, could just be the gang that hangs in c/Technology doing their thing ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[-] style99@lemm.ee 48 points 2 months ago

Lots of pro-Russia bots in here pretending to be concerned about ~~their sudden inability to sneak backdoors into the kernel~~open source.

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[-] trespasser69@lemmy.world 63 points 2 months ago

Linus in 2012: Nvidia fuck you

Linus in 2024: Russia fuck you

[-] TonyOstrich@lemmy.world 39 points 2 months ago
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[-] LainTrain@lemmy.dbzer0.com 59 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

It's really awesome to expel by nationality, even including people who've long moved out and immigrated years ago and don't support the invasion and war waged on Ukraine /s

Honestly fuck Russia ofc, but this goes a bit too far into the grey area between hawkish-reasonable and discriminatory, and on the latter side I'm not sure who and/or what this is meant to help, nor does it seem particularly fair to those individual contributors to keep their code yet remove attribution and mailing list entries.

EDIT: holy shit the bloodlust in the comments here is actually unreal, even on arr slash neoliberal and the politics communities here on lemmy the comments are way more sane.

[-] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 49 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Why are people so fundamentally incapable of nuanced judgement. According to people in this comment section, a human is entirely defined by their country of origin. What is this witch hunt level, toddler IQ thinking. Are people really so desperate to have a "bad guy" that they can blame everything on? This dehumanization of people is wild to me.

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[-] TheBlue22@lemmy.blahaj.zone 55 points 2 months ago

I wouldn't want to have FSB agents maintaining my open source either.

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[-] Allero@lemmy.today 46 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

The central project of open-source community closes doors to people based on nationality, and everyone is cheering...

Why? You seriously miss the implications of breaking the very basic principles of open source? You are ready to forgive literally anything if it is claimed to target Russia or Russians in any way?

For those of you who say about backdoors:

  • US is known to create the most complicated spy networks with myriads of backdoors. Where are the bans of the US maintainers?
  • Israel is a literal powerhouse of state-sanctioned spying software - Pegasus, as well as many less renowned programs, was created here. Any bans, anyone?
  • China is known for invasive software. Maybe ban them all too?

The only reasonable way to avoid backdoors is to meticulously check the submitted code. Threat actors can be anywhere - and Russia is not some unique threat location, nor was it banned with that justification - just "compliance requirements".

This is politics permeating the sacred place we all had. This is a giant threat to the community, and the way Linus framed it in his message is even more terrifying. This was never meant to happen.

[-] barsoap@lemm.ee 50 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

The only reasonable way to avoid backdoors is to meticulously check the submitted code.

Which is the job of maintainers. Which now aren't Russian, any more. To the best of my knowledge the kernel is still accepting code from Russian citizens, ultimately not having Russians in maintainer roles isn't going to stop the FSB from infiltrating the kernel but it certainly does make it harder.

This also isn't in any way a judgement on the removed people, it's just that it so happens that if you're a Russian citizen you're quite vulnerable to wrench attacks. You could even say that the kernel org is protecting them from being used like that.

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[-] FangedWyvern42@lemmy.world 46 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

How is this keeping to open source philosophies in any way?

“No, you can’t work on this, you’re Russian.”

I don’t support the Russian Government or its actions in any way, but these devs are probably not part of it. They maintain drivers for fucking ASUS hardware.

[-] MrMakabar@slrpnk.net 65 points 2 months ago

Because there are both US and EU laws preventing code from countries deemed a threat. Torvalds is paid by the Ameircan Linux Foundation, which has to work under US law and he himself is an EU citizen. Also a lot of other developers are from those countries and if they do not comply, they could get into some pretty bad legal trouble.

So it pretty much boils down to kick out the Russians or kick out all US and EU citizens and well we see Linus choice.

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[-] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 36 points 2 months ago

This has nothing to do with open source. If Russians want to work on the Linux kernel, they're absolutely free to do so, because the source code is free and open source. What they are being restricted from is getting their changes submitted to the normal Linux foundation trees. FOSS doesn't mean you're entitled to have the maintainer of a project look at your patches, it means you can use the software however you want.

And yeah, it makes me sad that Russian kernel maintainers are being excluded. That doesn't mean it's a violation of open source philosophies (a maintainer can exclude anyone they want for any reason), it just means it's an unfortunate policy due to international sanctions.

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[-] phoneymouse@lemmy.world 35 points 2 months ago
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[-] MCasq_qsaCJ_234@lemmy.zip 30 points 2 months ago

No changes until China decides to invade Taiwan and the sanctions that Russia currently has begin.

[-] InverseParallax@lemmy.world 29 points 2 months ago

Yeah, China are being "generic assholes" right now, but not crossing the lines into "serious villain shit" yet, at least for people who aren't in China.

But if they touch Taiwan, oh hell yeah.

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[-] hitwright@lemmy.world 35 points 2 months ago

I'm surprised how many people treat GPL to ignore borders. The IP law still operates only by the rules your country decides.

I can understand the desire for information to be free, but unless Open source movement becomes it's own country the discussion should end there.

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