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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ml/post/22332949

JD Vance said that ‘American power comes with certain strings attached’

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[-] JeeBaiChow@lemmy.world 224 points 1 month ago
[-] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 87 points 1 month ago
[-] Plastic_Ramses@lemmy.world 28 points 1 month ago

Europe is about to experience what africa and south america have been experiencing for decades.

Buckle up.

[-] coyootje@lemmy.world 32 points 1 month ago

The difference is that Europe should be more capable of resisting America. We'll see if that actually happens but given how things have gone before when the EU went after American companies I don't think they'll budge easily.

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[-] magnetosphere@fedia.io 135 points 1 month ago

Not even in office yet, and already making threats.

I’d like to see Europe tell Vance to fuck off. I suspect that if Europe gives in now, the Trump administration will make this same threat every time Europe does something he doesn’t like.

Trump will be an unreliable NATO ally anyway, so it isn’t much of a risk on Europe’s part.

[-] Dnb@lemmy.dbzer0.com 53 points 1 month ago

Don't negotiate with terrorists

[-] OpenStars@piefed.social 25 points 1 month ago

And this was from September so not even elected yet.

Tbh it kinda sounds like they just want to leave NATO regardless.

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[-] cultsuperstar@lemmy.world 22 points 1 month ago

I wouldn't be surprised if he pulls the US out of NATO and the UN, since he hates both organizations.

[-] Blackmist@feddit.uk 26 points 1 month ago

I'd be amazed if he does any of it tbh. Last time he just spent most of it playing golf, and sticking his goofy-ass signature on anything they stick in front of him.

The last thing they want to do is actually deal with the boogeyman issues. If they did that they'll have nothing to campaign on next time.

Most of this will be spent lining their own pockets.

[-] kobra@lemm.ee 33 points 1 month ago

This is such an optimistic take. I am very concerned they will spend the next 4 years making sure whatever election we have next is more similar to a Russian “election”.

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[-] maplebar@lemmy.world 109 points 1 month ago

Holding Western stability hostage in the name of the oligarchs, good job voting everyone...

[-] Azal@pawb.social 32 points 1 month ago

No no no, you see, we showed the democrats by not showing up to vote! /s

uuugh... I made myself sick quoting those jackass fucktards. (I did vote, and screamed until I was blue in the face to get people to vote. About every year.)

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[-] Telorand@reddthat.com 93 points 1 month ago

Old article, btw. This is from Sept 2024. I get that's what he promised, and while I think he's a complete asshat, let's not discount that he and Trump said and will say anything to appear smart, capable, and as if they have a plan.

Time will tell if this actually comes to pass, but I'm not actually going to hold my breath for this one.

[-] otter@lemmy.ca 30 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Good note, I didn't notice that in the original post. I edited the title

[-] simplejack@lemmy.world 75 points 1 month ago

These autocrats have always wanted to drop NATO.

Let’s not pretend like X is their reason. Supporting autocracy is their reason, and now they’re trying to come up with excuses to get the public onboard.

[-] seejur@lemmy.world 21 points 1 month ago

Yes, but they need to repay the rat elon for all his support during the campaign. This might even be true

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[-] Cryan24@lemmy.world 73 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

As a European, i say, "Please go ahead." While I like the idea of Nato, I want my politicians to be forced to take action in creating an eu Military and not rely on Nato for defence.

Also out of curiosity, will you guys be deporting immigrants like Elon Musk? Who invalidated their visa.

[-] BrianTheeBiscuiteer@lemmy.world 27 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Something tells me he's not going anywhere.

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[-] Tetsuo@jlai.lu 67 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

And then you get idiots that will tell someone that is not American : "uh why do you care so much about our election, it's not your country"

Well yes your (vice) president is starting to extort the rest of the world before even starting his mandate...

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[-] Ultraviolet@lemmy.world 59 points 1 month ago

Not too long ago, this would be a career-ending display of corruption.

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[-] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 54 points 1 month ago
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[-] Churbleyimyam@lemm.ee 54 points 1 month ago

Cool, no more need for American military bases in our countries then. Or sharing intelligence with them. Or propping up their arms industry.

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[-] slaacaa@lemmy.world 53 points 1 month ago

What a coincidence that Elon Musk paid 100+ million for their campaign

[-] unskilled5117@feddit.org 51 points 1 month ago

The Republican vice presidential nominee and Ohio senator claimed in an interview with YouTuber Shawn Ryan that a top EU official had threatened to arrest the billionaire [Musk] if he allowed former President Trump back on X.

“So what America should be saying is, if NATO wants us to continue supporting them and NATO wants us to continue to be a good participant in this military alliance, why don’t you respect American values and respect free speech?” Vance asked. “It’s insane that we would support a military alliance if that military alliance isn’t going to be pro-free speech. […]

“I’m not going to go to some backwoods country and tell them how to live their lives,” Vance added. “But European countries should theoretically share American values, especially about some very basic things like free speech.”

The US ranked 26th in the world when it comes to free speech, with several members of the European Union higher up the list, according to the 2024 Global Expression Report.

If anyone is interested these countries are ahead of the USA from 1-25: Denmark Switzerland Sweden Belgium Estonia Norway Finland Ireland Germany Iceland Portugal Austria New Zealand Canada Argentina Spain Czech Republic Italy Latvia Costa Rica Uruguay France Dominican Republic Netherlands Vanuatu

[-] SlopppyEngineer@lemmy.world 25 points 1 month ago

Insult Musk on Twitter, wait until posts are censored, sue X for not having freedom of speech. How's that for American values?

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[-] Phoenicianpirate@lemm.ee 51 points 1 month ago

This is why billionaires shouldn't exist.

The other thing I need to mention is that is that Elon Musk is far from the only billionaire with a massively disproportionate influence on elections and society. Or even the biggest. He is just the biggest attention whore of them all.

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[-] Etterra@lemmy.world 49 points 1 month ago

Sure that's not corrupt at all.

[-] masquenox@lemmy.world 49 points 1 month ago

So, the US wants to lose the only influence it actually has on Europe?

I say go for it.

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[-] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 46 points 1 month ago

They can't even wait two fucking months before saying explicitly fascist shit like this.

So many people are in for a rude awakening, including many people on the left who have no concept of what is coming. This is what happens when you don't teach history, I guess.

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[-] WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world 46 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

This is expected. A hallmark of fascism is state capitalism — a fusion of the corporation and the state — with corporations administered more like org units of the fascist party.

Many of us have been saying that this is the natural end state of capitalism all along, if it's allowed to run its course.

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[-] Blackmist@feddit.uk 42 points 1 month ago

Block the lot.

We don't need US far right propaganda.

We have our own.

[-] BastingChemina@slrpnk.net 39 points 1 month ago

France's military industry is having wet dreams thinking about it.

If the US pulls out of NATO France becomes the biggest arms exporter of NATO and I would expect other countries will become less enthusiastic at the idea of buying US weapons systems.

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[-] AllNewTypeFace@leminal.space 39 points 1 month ago

So, accept cybertrucks in the narrow streets of Italian hill towns, high fructose corn syrup in all food, freedom of hate speech driving vulnerable voices out of your public square, and AR-15s for everyone who wants one, or we throw you to the Orcs?

[-] Fedizen@lemmy.world 37 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

x is a government platform now. Sign onto your government social media account.

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[-] hohoho@lemmy.world 37 points 1 month ago

What a weird tactic for such a weird, little person.

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[-] perestroika@lemm.ee 36 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

In his shoes, I would think twice - does their team really want to present their dirtiest laundry to the world - such as owing an election to a media oligarch?

As for the EU, it's a massive bureaucracy which still follows its own laws. It probably won't change track. There is no single person to change its track.

However, at this stage of the game, I have the nagging feeling that some American may downregulate Elon Musk directly, far before the EU manages to step on his precious toe.

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[-] CosmoNova@lemmy.world 35 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Oh so they're copying infamous and largely ineffective wolf warrior tactics from China. Good way to make every single country despise and look down on the US.

[-] hOrni@lemmy.world 35 points 1 month ago

Looking down at the US is actually the norm for other countries.

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[-] realitista@lemm.ee 33 points 1 month ago

This is a key part of fascism, government and industry being one and the same entity.

[-] Veneroso@lemmy.world 31 points 1 month ago

It's Fascism all the way down!

[-] Prandom_returns@lemm.ee 25 points 1 month ago
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[-] PerogiBoi@lemmy.ca 22 points 1 month ago

If ur mean to Elon we leave NATO.

A very hinged take. Thank you Kanye, very cool.

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[-] Takios@discuss.tchncs.de 21 points 1 month ago

Trump and Vance hold no actual power. Musk is now the shadow president of the USA.

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[-] LovableSidekick@lemmy.world 20 points 1 month ago

Never thought I would say this but PLEASE let Trump live another 4 years.

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[-] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 20 points 1 month ago

Hope everyone is ready for this to be at least the next 4 years of our lives.

I say at least because these losers ran on fundamentally changing how our government works. In 4 years they may be able to create a scenario in which it's literally impossible for them to lose an election. Not to mention the effect this will have on global politics.

We let the Stupids have total control of our federal government. Suffering will become the norm. And if you think we're suffering now? Well, might be time to pick up a history book.

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[-] PostingInPublic@lemmy.world 19 points 1 month ago

We should really start to believe them when they say these things, and prepare accordingly.

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