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cross-posted from: https://feddit.org/post/4853884

cross-posted from: https://feddit.org/post/4853256

To whom it may concern.

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[-] Thorry84@feddit.nl 120 points 1 month ago

Ah change.org the platform best known for not changing anything ever.

[-] Aceticon@lemmy.world 33 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Yeah, but they're great at discharging the righteous indignation of people who might otherwise do something extreme like going on demonstrations or start campaigning for non-"moderate" political parties.

This way people just put their personal data next to a meaningless and powerless piece of text on a website alongside that of other people, get the feeling of release after having done something about what pisses them of, and won't do anything further about it.

Petitions are the single greatest invention of the Internet Age to keep the masses dormant (Social Media would've been it if, it wasn't that, as the far-right has shown, it can be used to turn some people into activists).

[-] Bruncvik@lemmy.world 104 points 1 month ago

Everyone who signed the petition should close their Twitter accounts. And write their newspapers that they would cancel their subscriptions if the articles quoted or embedded tweets. I didn't sign any petition, and I'm already doing it. Well, sort of. I didn't have any Twitter account ro close.

[-] itslilith@lemmy.blahaj.zone 32 points 1 month ago

Maybe not quote, but embed. They should still quote noteworthy things on there, but don't force us to interact with the site

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[-] militaryintelligence@lemmy.world 15 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Closed it. Viva la France!

[-] BeatTakeshi@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Agree with the first part, but news ought to still quote tweets while it exists, otherwise they cannot denounce many of the wrong things going on in there. I quote the Guardian's email I received this week (even if I prefer quoting to embedding, as tweets get deleted, and embeds brings traffic to the site):

Dear reader, Yesterday we announced that we will no longer post on any official Guardian editorial accounts on the social media site X (formerly Twitter). We think that the benefits of being on X are now outweighed by the negatives and that resources could be better used promoting our content elsewhere. This is something we have been considering for a while given the often disturbing content promoted or found on the platform. The US presidential election campaign served only to underline what we have considered for a long time: that X is a toxic media platform and that its owner, Elon Musk, has been able to use its influence to shape political discourse. X users will still be able to share our articles, and the nature of live news reporting means we will still occasionally embed content from X within our article pages. Our reporters will also be able to carry on using the site for newsgathering purposes, just as they use other social networks in which we don’t officially engage. Social media can be an important tool for news organisations and help us to reach new audiences but, at this point, X now plays a diminished role in promoting our work. Our journalism is available and open to all on our website and we would prefer people to come to theguardian.com and support our work there. You can also enjoy our journalism on the Guardian app and discover new pieces via our brilliant set of regular newsletters. Thankfully, we can do this because our business model doesn’t rely on viral content tailored to the whims of the social media giants’ algorithms – instead we’re funded directly by our readers.

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[-] schwim@lemm.ee 73 points 1 month ago

Ah, a change.org petition . I eagerly await the sweeping improvements to life abroad.

[-] FuryMaker@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago

Has any petition here ever actually lead to any change?

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[-] RobotToaster@mander.xyz 59 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Op, if you want to submit a petition to the EU, you should use their portal https://www.europarl.europa.eu/petitions/en/home not change.org

[-] Scrollone@feddit.it 6 points 1 month ago

Exactly. This is the only correct answer. Change.org petitions are as worthless as a 7 euros banknote.

[-] RobotToaster@mander.xyz 58 points 1 month ago

As much as I dislike Musk, expansion of the great firewall of Europe seems like a bad idea.

[-] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 26 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

+1

They should discourage institutions from using it (and use government Mastadon instances of course). This is honestly long overdue.

[-] BeatTakeshi@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago

Yep they should keep fining him exponentially till he leaves (he obviously will never fall in line with EU rules)

[-] dragonfucker@lemmy.nz 6 points 1 month ago

They only need to expand it a little bit. Add a rule against Nazi websites, and enforce it. That's not restrictive very much at all. Drag has gone drag's entire life without relying on Nazi sites

[-] MajorHavoc@programming.dev 7 points 1 month ago

Lol. That's true. I suspect that Xitter doesn't have the staff or engineering talent left to pivot to enforce any new rules internally. It should be possible to catch them in a constant automated ban without hitting anything worthwhile.

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[-] mp3@lemmy.ca 43 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Let's at least block the government agencies from using it in favor of open platforms and protocols to communicate with its citizens.

At least give me some good ole RSS in the backend, and they could host their own Mastodon instances that people can subscribe to from other public instances.

[-] MajorHavoc@programming.dev 21 points 1 month ago

Let's at least block the government agencies from using it in favor of open platforms and protocols to communicate with its citizens.

Yeah. When public services solely use Xitter or Facebook pisses me off. We can and should make that shit illegal.

[-] jagged_circle@feddit.nl 11 points 1 month ago

Germany did this years ago. Their government hosts a mastodon instance for various agencies

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[-] maplebar@lemmy.world 36 points 1 month ago

Corporate nationalist social media like "X" (American oligarchy) and TikTok (Chinese oligarchy) are a danger to the sovereignty and stability of the Western world.

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[-] lemmus@szmer.info 29 points 1 month ago

Ew, that sounds bad. I would prefer "promote open twitter-like social media" instead of "ban X" (you can replace X with any other website/software, even FOSS one). No banning should be allowed in EU.

[-] 46_and_2@lemmy.world 12 points 1 month ago

Yeah, keep X on and pile up the multi-million fines if they don't comply with laws. That's the only thing companies care about - something eating up their profits.

And if they keep not complying - then ban it altogether, like Brazil did. I prefer to recognize and ban it for the illegal activities it does, not because some folks don't like it and banded together against it.

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I don't like the idea of governments banning access to a website, unless its like CSAM.

[-] rustydrd@sh.itjust.works 33 points 1 month ago

See it more like "preventing a website whose owner refuses to comply withEuropean law from operating in the EU".

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[-] GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 16 points 1 month ago

fuck CSAM, but where do we draw the line?

let laws regulate society and don't let government regulate directly.

for example, instead of banning access to X, outlaw the use of Social media in direct advertising. Make the EU market so hostile towards their business practices they can't legally operate.

then, it's "X" that refuses to operate within the laws we as a people have required, not just an over-reaching autocrat.

[-] LouNeko@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

That's a bad idea because of how reliant small businesses are on social media advertising. A regulation like that would essentially screw over every business that isn't rich enough to go to bigger advertising venues.

[-] HK65@sopuli.xyz 5 points 1 month ago

Twitter is not the sole, or even the biggest social media company in Europe. It's not even in the top 3.

The advertisement sector will be fine.

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[-] hsdkfr734r@feddit.nl 21 points 1 month ago

Block? No.

Ask public law institutions to not use it. Maybe.

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[-] atro_city@fedia.io 20 points 1 month ago

I'm glad they at least name mastodon and not bluesky as an alternative.

[-] justhach@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Whats wrong with bluesky? Ive been using it fornthe past week and its definitely more intuitive and accessible for the average joe than Mastodon.

[-] MajorHavoc@programming.dev 15 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Blue sky has an owner and investors, right?

Publicly funded organizations should be required to use open solutions.

If they want to also replicate what they post somewhere open to BlueSky and Xitter, and Facebook, so be it.

That said, I could see carving out an exception for BlueSky if it provides the full open stack (public unauthenticated HTML, RSS, federation, etc ), and only while it does so.

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[-] jagged_circle@feddit.nl 5 points 1 month ago

I can't run my own bluesky instance. Its literaly the same problem as X

[-] tahoe@lemmy.world 16 points 1 month ago

Petition calls to ban world hunger

[-] EnderMB@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago

Eh, BlueSky seems to be actually gaining some traction now, enough so that celebs and brands are jumping ship, so maybe just give it a few months and let it rot.

[-] regdog@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago

Don't let the garbage sit until it rots. It will attract flies and possible more garbage.

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[-] spacecadet@lemm.ee 6 points 1 month ago

Petition calls to ban war

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