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Russia ‘fires intercontinental ballistic missile’ at Ukraine for first time (www.telegraph.co.uk)

submitted 1 month ago by Streetlights@lemmy.world to c/ukraine@sopuli.xyz

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Supposedly, an RS-26 was launched from Astrakhan and targeted at infrastructure in Dnipro.

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[-] ladicius@lemmy.world 102 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

ruzzia is running out of everything and using its last reserves.

EU and NATO need to pool together every resource to bankrupt this rotten state and drive it from Ukrainian soil. The defeat has to be so harsh that the ruzzkis won't be able to cross any border forever. Confine them to their own country, period.

[-] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 92 points 1 month ago

America here.....heh. We're gonna be useless come January!

Actually we might even be working against the cause. It would not surprise me to see trumps cabinet do shitty things like sending russia weapons and money.

In fact, I'm basically expecting it.

Just know that it's not ALL America. Just like 52% of us......or, I should say 52% of the 2024 voting public.

[-] Vikthor@lemmy.world 63 points 1 month ago

…or, I should say 52% of the 2024 voting public.

No. I hold those who didn't vote accountable too.

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[-] Buffalox@lemmy.world 18 points 1 month ago

Actually we might even be working against the cause.

That would mean destruction of NATO. No European country can be in a defense alliance with a country that actively support an invasion by Russia in Europe.

[-] Karyoplasma@discuss.tchncs.de 31 points 1 month ago

Trump doesn't care about the NATO. He thinks it's a big US-led charity organization that protects the weak, poor other countries who rally under the umbrella because murricah is just so superior and cool. I don't think he actively seeks to destroy it, but if his actions lead to its downfall, he would not be upset at all.

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[-] octopus_ink@lemmy.ml 17 points 1 month ago

That would mean destruction of NATO.

IIRC that's an explicit Project 2025 goal, but maybe I misremember.

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[-] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 15 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Yep, he's probably ending nato. Or at least he keeps promising to do that, and there's nothing that will stop him, so.... Good luck! We'll all fucking need it!

[-] Buffalox@lemmy.world 16 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

If Trump continues the policies of his first term, but dial it up as many say he will. He will destroy not only NATO, but American international influence in general, because nobody can trust USA. That will do a lot of harm to American economics especially over time, USA has essentially decided the terms for international trade since WW2, helped by their many allies, ending that will be very costly for USA.

[-] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

After how we treated the Kurds, I cannot believe anyone still trusts us. We have a lot of shit in our house that needs cleaning, and we sure do seem to be shooting all the maids....

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[-] coyootje@lemmy.world 14 points 1 month ago

It's not even 52%, in the end it's ended up being 50% VS 48.3%. He barely got half of all votes with the overall gap only being 2.6 million votes. That's razor thin, the only reason it worked out the way it did (apparent "easy win") is because of the electoral college system, which is a bit biased towards conservatism anyway by giving quite a bit of power to smaller, less populated states.

Besides that, I do agree that it's a bit of a question what will happen. I've seen people say that Rubio and Waltz appear to indicate a slightly different course but no one really knows besides the coming government.

[-] MNByChoice@midwest.social 9 points 1 month ago

Numbers are still coming in, but Trump is less than 50% currently.

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[-] ThePrimitive@lemmy.world 27 points 1 month ago

Pretty sure they did this as nuclear sabre rattling in response to the ATACMS and Storm Shadow attacks, not because of resource constraints.

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[-] atro_city@fedia.io 64 points 1 month ago

Russia declares US missile base in Poland a target

uh... that would get all of NATO involved, wouldn't it?

[-] copd@lemmy.world 33 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Yes, an attack on a NATO member would immedialy invoke article 5 (which has only been done once in history - 9/11)

[-] Valmond@lemmy.world 19 points 1 month ago

Declaring it? No.

Firing on it? Yes!

[-] nucleative@lemmy.world 42 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Well, I'm sure the US military complex is excited to test whether they can swat these out of the sky with their expensive toys. Now they have a chance to try.

And the more Russia launches, surely that technology will improve

[-] copd@lemmy.world 11 points 1 month ago

Why would Trump want to fight Russia? He loves russia

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[-] wieson@feddit.org 41 points 1 month ago

What Russia wants us to think:

"O no, allowing Ukraine to fire atacms into Russia was to much escalation! We must back down!"

What we actually think:

"Russia ran out of missiles and has to reach deep down its soviet arsenal to fire the last thing it's got. Next, they'll fire an R7"

[-] Patch@feddit.uk 30 points 1 month ago

Seems like a bit of a waste to launch an intercontinental missile at a country next door, on the same continent. Isn't Russia supposed to have plenty of short and mid range ballistic missiles? I guess they must be running low.

I was under the impression that ICBMs weren't all that great for conventional warheads. Their payload capacity isn't enormous and their accuracy tends to be relatively low- which matters not a jot if you're firing nukes (which do a lot of bang per kilo, and where a few hundred metres either way isn't likely to be critical), but not so great for dropping normal munitions.

[-] Streetlights@lemmy.world 26 points 1 month ago

I suspect the use of an RS-26 was meant to serve as a provocation/response to the recent ATACMs strikes.

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[-] Fermion@feddit.nl 15 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Launching just one sounds like the primary purpose is for messaging, not taking out whatever single target. They want to remind Europeans that they aren't safe just because they live far away. The west has been getting numb to the constant threats of using nuclear weapons. I believe this launch is to give those threats more weight again.

The US will no longer be a threat to Russian ambitions come January. Expect an urgent fear campaign to get the rest of NATO to no longer want to stick their necks out for Ukraine.

[-] nexusband@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago

Nah, we're not numb. But the fact of the matter is, we can't change anything and letting him win is not going to work, because what's the alternative? Being subjugated or attacked at a later state?

Putin should not forget however, that "we", the EU, also have Nukes and will retaliate, if push comes to shove. Those threats are meaningless either way.

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[-] iAvicenna@lemmy.world 25 points 1 month ago

you say "test" I hear "stock problems"

[-] Valmond@lemmy.world 16 points 1 month ago

Plus the "Russia launches ICBM!!!" headline potential.

They pull 70 years old tanks out of storage all the time, they have used rare nuke-safe tanks on the battlefield, they have to beg North Korea (!) for help and more.

This just screams stock and command problems.

They are losing so they are getting desperate and thus does tries stupid things.

Armchair General Valmond.

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[-] x00z@lemmy.world 23 points 1 month ago

Well I guess we should be giving Ukraine some ICBM's next. Or would that not be fair? :')

[-] LovableSidekick@lemmy.world 23 points 1 month ago

Silly Russians don't even know what continents are lol.

[-] SkaveRat@discuss.tchncs.de 13 points 1 month ago

They misclicked the order and accidentally got INTRA Continental ones

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[-] smokeysnilas@feddit.org 19 points 1 month ago

So this is confirmation then that the storm shadow strike hit someone important?

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[-] slurpeesoforion@startrek.website 17 points 1 month ago

How do we know this is the first and not just the first successful launch?

[-] Brunbrun6766@lemmy.world 26 points 1 month ago

Afaik, ICBMs are trackibly loud. It's difficult to fire one without everyone noticing immediately

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[-] errer@lemmy.world 14 points 1 month ago

I’m curious how the allies know an ICBM isn’t a nuke

[-] Streetlights@lemmy.world 31 points 1 month ago

Until it explodes, you don't.

[-] tobogganablaze@lemmus.org 9 points 1 month ago

You wait till it explodes and check the NDDS.

[-] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 16 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Dyatlov: What does the dosimeter say?

Akimov: 3.6 roentgen. But that's as high as the meter...

Dyatlov: 3.6 - not great, not terrible.

[-] Buelldozer@lemmy.today 8 points 1 month ago

You don't, which why (aside from cost) nations don't use them as toys.

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[-] MrMakabar@slrpnk.net 13 points 1 month ago

Intressting. So by delivering more of them to Ukraine we lower Russias arsenal.

[-] Buffalox@lemmy.world 11 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Ukraine has not received ICBMs, articles stating Ukraine has received long range missiles are wrong, Ukraine has only received SHORT ranged missiles. up to 300 miles. It's longer range than artillery, but not long range missiles. Long range missiles have several thousand miles range.

[-] MrMakabar@slrpnk.net 10 points 1 month ago

Obviously. ICBMs are pretty much useless to Ukraine and without nukes to Russia as well. They are acurate enough to destroy something using a nuke. So missing by a few hundret meters is fine. With conventional explosive that is however pretty much useless.

This is most likely the answer for Biden allowing the use of those short range system and it would be wonderfull to see Russia blow up its nuclear missiles for nothing.

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[-] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 12 points 1 month ago

Bluff has been called. They'd be stupid to nuke an upwind country they want to conquer anyways.

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