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[-] Peasley@lemmy.world 128 points 1 month ago

I've never "debloated" Windows so idk about the top half.

The bottom half is accurate. Debian, Fedora, and Mint are easier to install than Windows 10 or 11. Not that Windows is difficult, it's just a bit clunky and idiosyncratic.

I assume Microsoft doesn't care much about the installer since it's generally only used by OEMs, whereas for Linux distros it's a first impression so it has to be polished.

[-] user224@lemmy.sdf.org 75 points 1 month ago

No excuse though. Try the "install as oem" of Linux Mint. You get an install with temporary oem account, you can update the system, install additional programs, then click "Prepare for shipping to end user" and on next boot you're greeted with a setup screen.

[-] Peasley@lemmy.world 31 points 1 month ago

That sounds pretty nice. More installers should have something like that

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[-] RattlerSix@lemmy.world 69 points 1 month ago

Almost everyone using Linux installed it. Almost no one using Windows installed it.

[-] EldritchFeminity@lemmy.blahaj.zone 14 points 1 month ago

You don't think that many people build their own Windows PCs? Linux gaming isn't that old in the grand scheme of things, and there's plenty of people who dual boot for various reasons.

I'd almost be willing to bet that there are more people who've installed Windows on their PC than there are people who've installed Linux from a pure numbers standpoint.

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[-] SloganLessons@lemmy.world 57 points 1 month ago
[-] tsugu@slrpnk.net 17 points 1 month ago

Like every linux community. Living in a bubble that doesn't exist.

[-] humble_pete_digger@lemm.ee 9 points 1 month ago
[-] Katana314@lemmy.world 11 points 1 month ago

Installing any operating system is often a hassle. This comes in part from my own experience trying to understand the unguided partition recommendations of a Bazzite (basically Fedora on low level) install. I got through it, but it was certainly no easier than Windows.

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[-] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 55 points 1 month ago
[-] Saik0Shinigami@lemmy.saik0.com 10 points 1 month ago

Well Mac users do too... Well they don't... but someone does.

I was that someone for some family members. I felt icky the whole time.

[-] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago

I once upgraded a girl's parents' computer to System 8 and didn't realize it wasn't supported. Fucked up the BIOS (or whatever Macs used back then) and they had to ship it back to Apple to get fixed. I did not hear from her again.

But I haven't actually installed Mac OS since about Puma. New operating systems just come down in the normal software update. But I still cherish my OS X Beta DVD.

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[-] frayedpickles@lemmy.cafe 49 points 1 month ago

Windows requires pressing next 12 times, what are you people smoking and can I haz?

[-] Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee 23 points 1 month ago

There's also a number of things you have to click "no" on, like a free trial office or Onedrive.

It took me around an hour to set up my new Win 11 laptop, most of which was downloading and installing updates. I expected far worse.

[-] Jyek@sh.itjust.works 12 points 1 month ago

Oh please, we spend an hour fucking around in a new Linux install to get things the way we like them too.

[-] Limitless_screaming@lemmy.world 10 points 1 month ago

A new Linux installation is usually usable and you spend an hour tailoring it to your specific needs. While in a new Windows installation I spend the first hour remembering things that'll start popping up/executing in the background and disabling them just to get it to a usable state.

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[-] spujb@lemmy.cafe 47 points 1 month ago

would love to see some actual market research on this. sit down a sample of users, have them install then use some OSs. interview them on their experience. rather than yknow making up data

[-] mr_right@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 1 month ago

well people dont actually install OSs

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[-] PieMePlenty@lemmy.world 41 points 1 month ago

Biased as fuck lol. Installing windows is not difficult. I did it first time at the age of 8 witn WIndows 98 and their newer installers are made so the general public can do it. And the bloat and spyware? Thats windows dude. Its not meant to be your OS, its meant to spy on your ass at the benefit of being familiar and (relative) easy to use. Anything you do to it post clean install is your own tinkering. Linux distros are great yall, but install difficulty is not a metric I would use to attack windows. Comparing between distros makes sense.

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[-] Viper_NZ@lemmy.nz 34 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Install windows, run debloat powershell script. Done.

Microsoft give no shortage of things to complain about without needing to exaggerate.

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[-] schwim@lemm.ee 29 points 1 month ago

What an absurdly sycophantic graph.

[-] nutbutter@discuss.tchncs.de 28 points 1 month ago

I can agree that installing Arch is easier than installing a debloated Windows. But Gentoo? I spent 2 weeks trying to install it, but couldn't get past partitioning the drive.

[-] theunknownmuncher@lemmy.world 12 points 1 month ago

...paritioning the drives is exactly the same for Arch as it is Gentoo lol if you did it for Arch, why can't you do it for Gentoo?

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[-] arc@lemm.ee 23 points 1 month ago

I don't even know what this graph is even supposed to mean. Bitch about Windows all you like but the installation process is typically very simple.

[-] Agent641@lemmy.world 19 points 1 month ago

There is no X axis so I'm going to assume it means potatoes per guinea pig

[-] Couldbealeotard@lemmy.world 14 points 1 month ago

I guess it means that no one here knows what Windows Debloated is and didn't read far down enough to see regular windows marked as very easy to install.

[-] scholar@lemmy.world 13 points 1 month ago

Boot off usb, create partitions, wait, spend five screens clicking 'no' on all of the options, unplug ethernet so it allows you to make a local account, wait, login, spend 15 minutes uninstalling all of the preinstalled nonsense, disable all of the advertising on the task bar and desktop, pretend the rest of the telemetry doesn't exist, download and install the latest drivers from each manufacturers website. Very simple.

[-] Luccus@feddit.org 10 points 1 month ago

Man. Last time I just wanted to check if my new laptop was working properly, so I booted up it's preinstalled Windows. I literally had to look up how to get Windows to get me into Explorer without creating an account or connecting it to my network.

It took me about 25 minutes and Windows was already installed on the damn thing.

It took 15 minutes from booting a prepared Fedora stick to logging in.

I honestly believe that, by now, Linux is no more difficult than Windows. People are just not used to the differences.

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[-] Steamymoomilk@sh.itjust.works 19 points 1 month ago

1000017289 Installing gentoo

[-] moon@lemmy.cafe 17 points 1 month ago

As much as I wish this were true, this is in a bubble where Windows isn't already preinstalled on everything.

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[-] Txmyx@feddit.org 17 points 1 month ago

Installing windows takes stupidly long. You have to click through 60 pages and click "No, i don't want to share my data" just for them to collect it anyway

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[-] ikidd@lemmy.world 16 points 1 month ago

I love Debian, but it's installer is shit.

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[-] jaschen@lemm.ee 15 points 1 month ago

Um... My grandma installed Windows 11 on her computer and then ran a simple script I gave her after. You guys are delusional.

[-] abbadon420@lemm.ee 15 points 1 month ago

Was it a script to install your own crypto miner?

[-] variants@possumpat.io 11 points 1 month ago

oh damn that sucks, thats why you dont click suspicious links

[-] thedirtyknapkin@lemmy.world 14 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

brother, 99% of users will never even consider installing their own os. the issue isn't that Linux is hard to install, the issue is that pretty much anyone brave enough to even mess with their operating system is either already on Linux, a boomer, or trapped by professional software that isn't available on Linux (that's me, a videographer)

the only way Linux is breaking out of extreme obscurity is if it starts coming pre-installed on commercially available and desirable hardware. the steam deck did more for Linux in a single product launch than the entire decade of combined efforts before that. before the deck i would have said it was simply never going to happen, but who knows. maybe it'll be up to eccentric billionaires that never went public with their companies to push the Linux future we all want.

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[-] NaibofTabr@infosec.pub 13 points 1 month ago

This is true, but the people who think of Windows as easier to use are not people who install operating systems themselves.

[-] iAmTheTot@sh.itjust.works 11 points 1 month ago

I install OSes myself and windows is easy.

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[-] synapse1278@lemmy.world 13 points 1 month ago

Installing regular Windows 10/11 is definitely more than twice as painful than installing Debian 12.

Once, I was trying to install Windows 10 and wasted an entire day! The installation would systematically fail at the beginning of the installation with a BS error message that doesn't give any hint about what's going wrong. In the end it just didn't like USB3 as an installation media! I reflashed it to a USB2 and it worked, but OMG was it super slow ! It took literally hours to install !!!

Debian, even as a noobie, you'll go from flashing your ISO to a booted system within an hour. If you've done it once before, you will get it done in 20 minutes.

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[-] ordellrb@lemmy.world 12 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Windows 11 without a Microsoft-Account = terminal required. Linux Mint = terminal not required.

[-] pineapplelover@lemm.ee 9 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

You can install the enterprise iot version or running chris titus's debloat script. But if you do this, you're technically savvy enough to use Linux and really want to/have to stay on Windows.

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[-] shadowedcross@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 month ago

Installing debloated windows is not difficult at all.

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