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I hate big tech controlling social media. I desperately want social media to be federated.

I really love community-driven social media like Reddit. Lemmy feels… too small. I really loved that Reddit let me jump into any niche hobby, and instantly I had a community. Lemmy, you’ll be lucky if that community even exists, and if it does, chances are nobody has posted in ages.

On the other hand, Lemmy is full of political content lately. I’ve basically been doom scrolling everything US election-related, and it’s really starting to take a toll on my mental health.

I know I can filter content. I know I can post and be the change I seek. Yet, it feels like an uphill battle.

Not sure what the point of this is, or if it’s even the right community to vent about this. I just really want to replace Reddit, but I find myself going back more and more (e.g. r/homekit is very active compared to Lemmy version).

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[-] setsneedtofeed@lemmy.world 215 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Yes Lemmy is smaller and doesn't have instantly fully formed communities. Reddit has been around for almost 2 decades. Lemmy is newer, smaller, and actively fights the sorts of shenanigans that Reddit initially used to get big.

If you want more niche activity, make posts and interact with posts. Lemmy is user driven- that means you. It isn't a giant megasite where you can just expect to be a passive receiver of endless content.

[-] confuser@lemmy.zip 26 points 1 month ago

I once read somewhere that mentioned how Lemmy is actually bigger than reddit was at the same age. I don't know if that is true or not but that's pretty cool if it is and I think it means Lemmy is on a good track.

[-] ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de 18 points 1 month ago

The difference was that Digg used to be the site. Then Digg ticked off all their users and 90% of them migrated to reddit, which was already available.

Reddit had its dumpster fire moment over the last couple years, but there was no available place for everyone to quickly migrate over to other than Lemmy, and it didn't really happen. Lemmy is a bit harder to get used to and figure out, so we missed out on a huge migration.

So its doubtful that lemmy will ever expand out like reddit did. Not for a long time, anyhow. It will be great if we make it to a couple million active users. At that point, I'd be totally content. Things get too sloppy once you go over 10 million users, it seems.

[-] ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de 12 points 1 month ago

I was their in reddit beginning. There were no initial shenanigans. It was a good place and existed at just the right time, when people wanted to leave Digg because it was turning into a dumpster fire, similar to what reddit has done.

When reddit started turning to shit there just wasn't anything for the masses to migrate to that was available other than here. Problem is that here isn't as simple to get into. In lemmy, the learning curve is slightly higher than "bare minimum".

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[-] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 100 points 1 month ago

you gotta realize reddit didn't just "appear" one day with those obscure niche topics built out. There is a network effect large communities have. We need hundreds of thousands more members before that is possible.

I think you probably weren't there for early reddit, but most of the active posters here on Lemmy were. It was tiny. Like Lemmy.

You can't force those niche communities to exist here. It doesn't work. But what you can do is post and create valuable content. and eventually we may get there.

[-] flicker@lemmy.world 36 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

It's so weird to me that people are so spoiled today that they feel inconvenienced when there isn't limitless content in their niche fields of interest being served to them on a platter every single day.

Those of us who remember the before times can tell you that the absolute best of a platform comes before that point. I'm sure it's lovely getting your full every single second, but the best conversation, the best education, the best introspection comes when you're allowed a few minutes between stimuli to think.

I feel like "Old woman yells at cloud" but I really feel like our younger folks who crave endless, mindless interaction, don't know what they miss out on.

[-] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 19 points 1 month ago

I can't blame them, because they've been conditioned to be consumers of content. While they idealize creators, they also put up barriers in their minds as the the level of quality a given comment, piece of content, whatever, needs to achieve before getting involved.

I try and think of Lemmy as the equivalent of the Linux. We're just going to have lower adoption because there isn't a corporate juggernaut behind us promoting this thing.

But if people really want to know why reddit was able to become reddit, it happened here yesterday with cats. It's bean memes. Its Stör. Its us developing culture of our own as a community.

So its fine. I'm not too worried. We're doing great.

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[-] Blaze@feddit.org 74 points 1 month ago

Feel free to block communities with political content.

You can also use an app or alternative frontend to filter keywords. !newtolemmy@lemmy.ca has a post about that.

For communities, !newcommunities@lemmy.world can help

For home kit, the Apple communities are probably more active, and you should be able to post about it there too

To add to this using these two features has really helped remove a lot of the threads that were taking a toll on my mental health from my feed.

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[-] anon6789@lemmy.world 53 points 1 month ago

A lot of focus is put onto posting, but I like to encourage commenters. I'll post and respond all day, but if nobody is interacting, it's going to stay quiet. Put the quiet to your advantage by doing things like:

If you like an image, say what you like about it. Lately, I've been having people talk about how they really have been enjoying dawn/dusk pictures, so I've been collecting more of that so I can post what people are in the mood for. It gives me good feedback, it gives people a chance to agree or disagree with you, and you got to participate.

Do you ask anyone any question? Take advantage of the relative quiet. With not having a million comments on every post, I have plenty of time to give you really detailed answers. I got asked how to differentiate between 2 animals yesterday, and I had time to make a nice visual guide, highlighting key differences and giving multiple visual examples of potential variations while still simplifying the process of identification. If there's a million people talking like on Reddit, it's hard to give people that much attention, but here it's easy. I pretty much take time to respond to every comment.

Don't be afraid to go off topic. Rules seem to be looser in many communities because of the low post count. This week, I posted something from a country with a different language, and I ended up having 3 days of conversation with a native speaker who filled me in on tons of subtleties of the language pertaining to our niche topic. I got to learn so much, and they got to learn a few things about English.

I feel you have to do something to have a good time here, but it needn't be to post multiple things every day, but it's more than just up or downvoting something like you can get away with on Reddit. We're too small for you to have a free ride. But make someone laugh. Let them know that you liked their post with a short comment. If you don't like it, say hey, do you have any content on such and such instead. Make a post saying, hey, what's your thoughts on this? It doesn't need to be something groundbreaking or insightful, you just need to give a sign of life so we know you're here, and one of us will probably talk back to you.

Interact enough like that, and you may find what you enjoy doing, if that turns out to be posting, or you become the resident expert on a topic even if you're not an expert, being a serial commenter, or whatever it may be. It's a great opportunity if you make it one because it is so easy to get attention here if you try.

I'm not typically a social person, but being here has let me talk about what I want, when I want, and somebody will listen to it, and I can ask about things I want to know and get answers. There's much less shouting into the void like at Reddit. Play Lemmy to its strengths and you will find enjoyment. And if you don't like it, go to where you're happy. Nobody's going to hate you if you split time between here and Reddit.

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[-] Gointhefridge@lemm.ee 45 points 1 month ago

Seeing all the cats made me realize that we need to all participate to make the community what we want it to be. It’s clear to me there are a lot of lurkers based on the influx of cat pictures. The more we start posting in ANY instance the more visibility there will be for active users.

[-] lambalicious@lemmy.sdf.org 18 points 1 month ago

the cats

The voids whence the content shall come!

[-] JohnWorks@sh.itjust.works 33 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

One suggestion I saw a while ago was to use more general communities for things you're interested in and as it grows then the more niche communities can be made. Ex: post about a specific game you like in gaming up until enough people like it to make a sub for that game. Or post about a song you don't know in asklemmy until enough people do that to make whatsthissong

I totally get wanting the niche communities and, personally, I just lurk reddit completely not voting, posting, or commenting unless as a last resort if I really need to find info that Lemmy isn't able to provide.

It's a slow process and I don't think there'll be another boost of users in Lemmy until reddit does another thing that enshittifies it to annoy people to leave.

[-] plactagonic@sopuli.xyz 10 points 1 month ago

Our community !homebrewing@sopuli.xyz has for now everything beer, wine, cider... it didn't reach the point of creating another specific, niche community. So I totally get the niche interests aren't represented here yet and the number of homebrewers is big.

Still we get good engagement for lemmy and there are active people from industry, so I wouldn't call it exactly small.

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[-] ramble81@lemm.ee 30 points 1 month ago

All I’m getting lately in my feed are cats!

[-] r00ty@kbin.life 21 points 1 month ago

Not a bug! That's a feature.

[-] DarkThoughts@fedia.io 22 points 1 month ago

No, of course not. Cats are mammals, not insects.

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[-] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 27 points 1 month ago

The Fediverse is virgin territory. The trails aren't blazed for you here; it's your job as an early adopter to make it the way you want it to be. You want a community? Start it and participate in it.

[-] Blaze@feddit.org 11 points 1 month ago

Joining an existing community is usually easier than starting a new one.

!newcommunities@lemmy.world can be a place to find an existing community?

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[-] schnurrito@discuss.tchncs.de 27 points 1 month ago

reddit was once smaller than it is now too

[-] secret300@lemmy.sdf.org 24 points 1 month ago

I hate reddit as a platform but I still have to use it every once in a while because people won't move to Lemmy/mbin/piefed.

I honestly don't understand it. People complain that they don't use the fediverse because it's small but somehow they don't realize if they just migrate over then it won't be.

It's aggravating how dumb people can be but hey, that's the world we're living in. I'll continue to use Lemmy and visit reddit if I have to.

[-] Blaze@feddit.org 10 points 1 month ago

I honestly don’t understand it. People complain that they don’t use the fediverse because it’s small but somehow they don’t realize if they just migrate over then it won’t be.

Network effect in full blast

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[-] Kalcifer@sh.itjust.works 23 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I know I can post and be the change I seek.

Imo, this is your answer. I'm not sure exactly what other solution you want. Content will not appear on Lemmy without someone first posting it. Advertising the platform to help draw people in is also important.

[-] GhiLA@sh.itjust.works 23 points 1 month ago

Politics is the one thing we all have in common.

The good old days where everyone watched the same five TV shows and discussed them are over.

[-] NorthWestWind@lemmy.world 11 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

US Politics is the one thing ~~we~~ you all have in common.

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[-] LavenderDay3544@lemmy.world 22 points 1 month ago

I like it as a platform but the userbase just isn't there.

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[-] Clinicallydepressedpoochie@lemmy.world 21 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Don't let your desire for something you want right now ruin something you can have in the future. At one point r/homekit didn't exist, didn't stop you from not caring.

[-] Steak@lemmy.ca 21 points 1 month ago

Yeah I want to get off Reddit but this place is small and is very political. It's a tiny echo chamber. A very very small one.

[-] Aermis@lemmy.world 11 points 1 month ago

Imagine taking the technical and stubborn creme of the crop redditors and that's who's mostly on lemmy. It used to be those who wanted an open source community, but it got it's user bumps during the reddit exodus. I would have never heard of lemmy if it wasn't for the fact I used reddit exclusively through the redditsync app. And when that shut down I came here naturally on the backbone of the developer going here.

I've been here since. The community isn't bad. I still get responses on niche things like gardening and fish tank related issues I had. It's just 3 comments vs 30. But somehow it's better. Because on reddit I can't even get a post posted half the time, and the other half I find out I'm banned from that sub because of a comment I made years ago on a completely unrelated post on a sub I don't even know.

[-] IndiBrony@lemmy.world 18 points 1 month ago

I don't want to simply repeat what others have said, but on a personal level, I'm actually enjoying the smaller overall community - it makes it a bit more personal, I feel. I enjoy that. Yeah, fair enough, it's not great for niches, but you don't have to be tethered down to one place for your content.

Back in my day, you had to go to completely different websites for your niche content! Forums were the mainstream!

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[-] Kichae@lemmy.ca 18 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Unfortunately, community building is work, and it's work that users actually do on the bigger, corporate sites. Those community builders helped get those spaces going, helped make them appealing, and help trap users there. In smaller spaces like this, we need to be the community builders, not just the content consumers.

One thing I find really helps is to use something that doesn't look like the space you left. Lemmy looks an awful lot like Reddit, but it has themes, and even alternative web clients that can change the experience and make it feel like something new.

Lemmy also isn't the content and communities, it's just the website's server software. You can access... ugh... the "threadiverse"... from websites using other ActivityPub enabled servers. There's an ActivityPub Discourse plugin. nodeBB is adding ActivityPub support in its next version. Friendica and Hubzilla have group support, and work with Lemmy-hosted communities.

Find a new window on social media, and it might help you engage with it differently.

The other thing you can do is just niche down a bit here. Find a few active communities that you're interested in, and focus your attention on them. Lemmy is actually much, much more like classic forums, where communities or spheres of interest have their own website. The difference here is that you can actually look outside of those communities to interact with other forums, too. It works a a lot better if you treat it that way. Find your home, as it were, and branch out from there.

Unfortunately, the modern mental model of social media is the fire hose, not the node-and-spoke that is actually best supported by the technology.

[-] Allero@lemmy.today 16 points 1 month ago

Unfortunately, there's no easy way around it. Fediverse is small, and while we should always encourage people's migration, it will probably remain small for the time being.

And freedom to express everything combined with people learning their behavior on algorithmic content will be an issue until a strong Fediverse culture is established. The times of pioneers are over, the times of "truly a place for everyone" are not yet there, and in between, we have a very weird mixture, sometimes bringing out the worst of many people.

I hope Fediverse will survive through this phase, and if yes, bright times will be ahead. But it will take a lot of work. Many non-political communities have already started blocking political content, and for the time being, I believe that's for the better. People need a place to chill and have a corner of their own, not face what they ran away from in the first place.

[-] jacktherippah@lemmy.world 15 points 1 month ago

It's still a tiny echo chamber like it was a couple months ago when I cut back on Lemmy use. It can get pretty repetitive and boring to read. I came back to Reddit because the user base was larger and there were more perspectives I could hear from.

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[-] BilboBargains@lemmy.world 15 points 1 month ago

We have to be the thing we want to see out in the world. If we want open source communities and an internet free of corporate influence then we have to do the work required to build them. It's not going to happen by magic.

[-] mlg@lemmy.world 14 points 1 month ago

Jokes on you the political content here is from the redditors who pretended to quit their award fueled addiction by also joining lemmy.

Seriously though, compare c/Politics to c/Worldnews or c/News. There is a very large dissonance between the comments shared despite both communities posting the same news info..

[-] realcaseyrollins@thelemmy.club 14 points 1 month ago

On the other hand, Lemmy is full of political content lately.

Unfollow communities with political content, and all that goes away.

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[-] lvxferre@mander.xyz 13 points 1 month ago

Browse by "subscribed", and subscribe to a lot of communities. Only do it by "all" when you can't find good stuff in the subscribed view.

I do this and, while I do see a few intrusive US politics posts, it's far less than when browsing by "all".

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[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 13 points 1 month ago

Well you should come hang out with us at Out of Context Comics! Not a lot of politics but a lot of gay innuendo. A lot.

https://lemmy.world/c/outofcontextcomics

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[-] Dariusmiles2123@sh.itjust.works 13 points 1 month ago

I only used Reddit for two years, but I’m now really happy I made the jump to Lemmy.

Sadly, I can only agree that some niche content is difficult to find.

But I can’t complain because I’m not creating any of that content and moderating some community.

[-] ZK686@lemmy.world 12 points 1 month ago

The thing I like about Lemmy is that they're not banning you over stupid shit.

[-] TheFrirish@jlai.lu 18 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Depends on your instance honestly

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[-] Auster@thebrainbin.org 11 points 1 month ago

Growth is a process, not an immediate switch. Every social media started small and then grew. If immediatism, or however it is called, was the predominant factor for any struggle to become an achievement, nothing would be achieved.

And on lack of contents, I, for one, block everything that is not of my interest, quite a lot to be honest, specially with certain niches spamming the federated platforms, but even then, I get a feeling I should trim even some of the communities/magazines I follow/subscribe to as I can barely catch up to those already.

[-] jaggedrobotpubes@lemmy.world 10 points 1 month ago

The internet has been mostly enshittified. The corporations are guaranteed to continue sucking in predictable ways. It'll never get better or good enough.

The fediverse is something new. It is, at the very least, immune to being reddited and twittered. If the internet has a future, it's on the fediverse, or on something like it that doesn't exist yet. Going back to shitty corporate stuff just delays the future.

Your real issue is that spez, musk, etc all suck. That's what you hate. This is the place where we are free of them, and it can only get better.

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[-] renegadespork@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 1 month ago

Post the kind of content you’d like to see.

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