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[-] dustyData@lemmy.world 196 points 1 month ago

Remember when on Interstellar there's this whole prologue about the collapse of the US, the dismantling of NASA and the family getting on an argument with the school because the official stance now is that the moon landing never happened and mankind never went to space (despite there being still people alive who went there)?

So, anyway, life imitates art …

[-] CEbbinghaus@lemmy.world 56 points 1 month ago

Recently there was a rerun of interstellar in IMAX at our local IMAX theatre. Rewatched it and had some pretty shocking revelations that I did not think of when I watched it for the first time. The rewriting of history being prime amongst them

[-] thermal_shock@lemmy.world 38 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)
[-] Ultragramps@lemmy.blahaj.zone 14 points 1 month ago

One of Trumps supporters even got punched by Buzz.

We ain't getting Interstellar, we're getting Don't Look Up.

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[-] winterayars@sh.itjust.works 17 points 1 month ago

I remember when that movie came out people argued with me that the Democrats were the party that was going to create the world of Interstellar and the Republicans were "standing up for science".

It was obviously nonsense then so i have little illusions that those people have changed their view on it--or if they have, they've simply changed to believe the moon landing was faked.

[-] CM400@lemmy.world 169 points 1 month ago

NASA, like the post office, is such a public benefit that we should be funding it well.

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[-] Badeendje@lemmy.world 131 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

NASA does research. They push the boundaries corporations can't.

[-] someguy3@lemmy.world 12 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Depends where the funding goes! And then musk can take a cut.

[-] Badeendje@lemmy.world 32 points 1 month ago

Corporations cannot carry the risk involved. Because else it would be similar to the medicine industry, but there is no large market to sell to.

We're going to Mars is not something you can sell in a boardroom, because why? What is the ROI?

[-] someguy3@lemmy.world 13 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

What I'm saying is musk wants to divert all of the government funding from NASA to spacex. ROI is all the funding from the government, every year for decades. It's not a sell a product and profit model in the regular sense. And this way musk can personally take a cut of all that funding.

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[-] PugJesus@lemmy.world 66 points 1 month ago

God, I love how the incoming cabinet has zero redeeming qualities amongst them.

[-] GladiusB@lemmy.world 18 points 1 month ago
[-] Mac@mander.xyz 13 points 1 month ago

I think I would rather be pleasantly surprised.

[-] traches@sh.itjust.works 64 points 1 month ago

The challenging thing here is that NASA does have deep, systemic problems and is in need of some overhaul. SLS is a breathtakingly expensive boondoggle, lunar gateway has no reason to exist, Orion is underpowered and overweight, Mars Sample Return’s entire mission is in question, JWST was a decade behind schedule and an order of magnitude over budget, and the list goes on. Extreme risk-aversion and congressional meddling have resulted in a bureaucratic quagmire of an organization. It’s hard to find nasa projects that are going well.

Of course I don’t think a gorilla with a sledgehammer as we’re sadly going to see from Trump will make things any better, we need a surgeon with a scalpel.

[-] halcyoncmdr@lemmy.world 117 points 1 month ago

Most of the things you listed are directly related to Congressionally mandated specifics for funding those programs. The money is only there if NASA does it the way Congress dictates, not necessarily the way it should be done.

The entire SLS program is essentially a Congressional jobs and legacy aerospace grifting program post-Shuttle.

If Congress would. Keep their hands off, and just allocate budget, most of the issues would likely disappear since the people that actually know what's going on could make the decisions instead of a Congress critter that is an imbecile.

[-] Red_October@lemmy.world 39 points 1 month ago

It's the whole reason SLS is the train wreck it is. Congress wouldn't let them not keep shoveling money to the same people who made Space Shuttle parts. So instead of the best design possible, we got the best design using old parts.

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[-] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 24 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

This is such a common theme.

There are huge systemic problems which the "establishment" will demonstratably not address and Trump appears to be the answer to many voters... but him effectively addressing them is a wild fantasy.

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[-] raspberriesareyummy@lemmy.world 12 points 1 month ago

NASA budget shouldn't matter on the scale that it does. It is <2% of the US military spendings

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[-] enbyecho@lemmy.world 63 points 1 month ago

I had a lengthy argument with someone that Musk couldn't possibly be kissing Trump's ass for money - he's a billionaire after all and "has all the money he needs". No no, Musk is doing this out of the goodness of his cold billionaire heart. Isn't it obvious?

Why are so many people so stupid? WHY?

[-] SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world 35 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Elongated Muskrat is a billionaire who wants to become the first trillionaire. That’s what these people aren’t getting. It’s all just a game to him. He thinks that he lives in a simulation and everyone else is an NPC. He now wants to set a new high score.

[-] Zink@programming.dev 27 points 1 month ago

Ah yes, the essential personality traits to becoming the richest person: integrity, and stopping once you have all the money you need.

[-] Naz@sh.itjust.works 12 points 1 month ago

I had similar arguments and the synopsis is that people can't admit being wrong because it makes them look weak. It's a toxic masculinity and ego thing.

You basically double down on the bet and ride the boat right into hell over the waterfall.

Dead, but you never had to admit the other person was right about the waterfall!

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We saw what happened the last time space infrastructure was privatized.

Boeing gave all the money to the stockholders and delivered a criminally late product that ended up failing and stranding our astronauts. Boeing obviously didn't care to test if the Teflon in those thrusters could survive repeated heatings.

SpaceX decided to go backwards in rocket technology, from Hydrogen to Methane. Hydrogen is more efficient, and makes it easier to bury carbon responsibly. Sure, Boeing's rockets got made fun of for being leaky, but I think that might be Boeing more than Hydrogen at fault. Dirty Methane rockets were cheap, and could be built simple as they experienced less thermal variation without cryogenic fuel.

SpaceX undercut the competition and turned itself into a monopoly while Boeing threw their hand to the stockholders. Now SpaceX picks up the pieces of the game they upended.

NASA was supposed to manage a thriving marketplace, full of competition. Instead it managed its way to a monopolistic structure that a single entity may try to sieze.

Fun fact about autocratic structures like monopolies and dictatorships: they can't grow power themselves, they can only sieze power organized by others.

We need to build our next wave of structures in a distributed fashion such that the levers of power are not so concentrated that they may fall into the wrong hands.

Give the power to the people. All of them.

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[-] Kalysta@lemm.ee 52 points 1 month ago

And absolutely no one paying attention was shocked.

[-] pyre@lemmy.world 43 points 1 month ago

it won't be though. spacex tech is massively reliant on NASA. if they do it they'll hurt spacex in the long run. which means they'll probably do it because musk is a fucking moron.

[-] Dasus@lemmy.world 22 points 1 month ago

"... in the long run"

These aren't people who understand what "in the long run" means.

[-] Gingernate@programming.dev 19 points 1 month ago

This quarters profits must be higher than last quarters. Fuck anything beyond that

[-] oo1@lemmings.world 14 points 1 month ago

Surely he'll strip NASA, put the bits he wants up for sale, then buy them for cheap.

Sure the best staff might leave, but he'll probably keep enough of the organisation to get something out of it.

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[-] GladiusB@lemmy.world 15 points 1 month ago

When has that stopped them when they have the Congress and the courts?

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[-] jaggedrobotpubes@lemmy.world 42 points 1 month ago

Some other country is gonna have the new nasa, and the united states is going to fall even further behind. It'll just be a brain drain and most of it isn't going to go to space-x.

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[-] danc4498@lemmy.world 35 points 1 month ago

He efficiently using the government to make himself richer. What more did anybody expect?

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[-] lemmus@lemmy.world 34 points 1 month ago

This is what losing a space race looks like.

[-] 93maddie94@lemm.ee 28 points 1 month ago

NASA has already sent out emails to their teams and contractors about what implications this can have on their departments. Shit’s bad.

[-] TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 26 points 1 month ago

People poke fun of Musk as being a idiot. But he had us Kaiser Soze'd by pretending to be dumb so that he could implement his self-serving ideas.

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[-] gedaliyah@lemmy.world 23 points 1 month ago

"Sure is a nice publicly funded and scientifically minded space program you got here. It would be a shame if anything happened to it."

[-] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 22 points 1 month ago

Space exploration certainly will be the final frontier, its the last thing this pathetic species will have ever worked on before blinking out of existence.

[-] jeena@piefed.jeena.net 21 points 1 month ago

Convenient? That was the whole plan with buying X all along, to get into politics, and this guy is still there keeping it relevant.

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[-] inv3r510n@lemmy.world 19 points 1 month ago

Trumps goons are going to sell out key functions of government to private buyers, like nasa to space x. This reminds me of when the USSR fell and all the shadiest people bought up the national industries.

I wonder who’s gonna buy the noaa. That’s the one I’m most concerned about.

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[-] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 16 points 1 month ago

I wanna try something...

Ahem. Investors! I have the concept of a plan to put gigantic billboards in space that can be seen by half the planet at any given time. Give me money.

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[-] kokesh@lemmy.world 14 points 1 month ago

Doesn't that fat fuck get lots of money from NASA?

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[-] mechoman444@lemmy.world 13 points 1 month ago

Space: the final (capitalistic) frontier.

[-] deaf_fish@lemm.ee 15 points 1 month ago

Humanity: Let's make a bunch of stories about how space capitalism has some really bad outcomes.

Also Humanity: That sound great! let's do that!

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[-] hddsx@lemmy.ca 12 points 1 month ago

Step 1) hurt other manufacturers more than Tesla

Step 2) benefit SpaceX by gutting NASA

Step 3) no regulations for digging tunnels?

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[-] Gerudo@lemm.ee 11 points 1 month ago

What sucks the most is NASA fights tooth and nail for funding as it is. Imagine gutting it, and then coming back 4 years later to ask just for their existing budgets back.

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