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[-] Carmakazi@lemmy.world 72 points 1 month ago

Because the big players there are not serious idealogues, they are paid a paltry sum through private channels to constantly spread Russian and Chinese disinformation in their larger psyop campaign against the West.

[-] LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 24 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Highly doubtful. The amount of time, money, and effort would be much better spent elsewhere. Lemmy’s audience is very small.

[-] PugJesus@lemmy.world 36 points 1 month ago

Yeah, more likely the actors on Lemmy are just useful idiots parroting propaganda points they've heard elsewhere.

[-] Carmakazi@lemmy.world 12 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Time

Basically none on the part of the handlers. Often this arrangement is handled by a private firm that doesn't necessarily have to be Russian or Chinese, I have heard of one operating in Australia. The posters themselves are spending a lot of time, but they're the ones selling it.

Money

Again, they're not exactly paying these guys a living wage, and even if they were, it's peanut crumbs for state-level actors.

Effort

A lot of people say that Lemmy is not worth the effort to demoralize because it's too small, I say the effort is too small to not be worth the investment. I would even say that Lemmy users are self-selected for radicalization in some ways, broadly speaking they are fed up with corporate social media and corporatism in general.

It's also a somewhat important step to have a place they can speak unfiltered amongst themselves, no matter how small the clubhouse is. That's where the real funky shit happens.

[-] LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 9 points 1 month ago

I doubt those people are even aware of Lemmy, let alone hiring teams of people to post here. But regardless of how plausible it is, this is just speculation with no evidence behind it.

That which is asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.

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[-] Gullible@sh.itjust.works 17 points 1 month ago

For anyone that needs to hear it, you can have both. You can live in a free society and also plot to bisect your nearest oligarch next time they go to their favorite sushi restaurant

[-] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 10 points 1 month ago

Exactly. Watch the downvotes for your comment roll in as day becomes night in the west.

[-] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 17 points 1 month ago

as day becomes night in the west.

Title of my wild west themed romance novel

[-] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago

I think I saw that in LaGuardia. Cover has a cowboy rubbing his horse’s backside as the sun sets behind the old saloon?

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[-] mlg@lemmy.world 11 points 1 month ago

A whopping two downvotes, yeah I'm sure the paid social media spam targets the 17k active users on lemmy.world and not the billions of users on Facebook

[-] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

It’s only 2 PM in California.

[-] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 month ago

It’s bedtime here now, nothing changed. Care to re-evaluate your conspiracy theories yet?

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[-] JackbyDev@programming.dev 8 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I think you two need to check your tin foil supply.

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[-] socsa@piefed.social 14 points 1 month ago

Is there any other kind of genocide besides institutionalized?

[-] obre@lemmy.world 12 points 1 month ago

I guess commonplace decentralized pogroms like what happened to Jews and Roma throughout Europe historically

[-] random@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 points 1 month ago

if everyone would mutually agree on killing certain people they could commit it without an institution ig

[-] Mechaguana@programming.dev 4 points 1 month ago

Is class warfare institutionalized? Seems like a non conscious consensus sometimes

[-] random@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 1 month ago

but they do need the state to protect their property, so it's institutionalised imo

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[-] Objection@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 month ago

I would never deny any claim of genocide, regardless of evidence, because that's against .world's rules. If someone tells me that France is genociding Belgians, I won't question or dispute it because that's against the rules. But the thing is that when a genocide has clear, documented evidence, I just find that a lot more emotionally compelling. I connect more with what's happening when I can see a shitton of photo and video evidence of dead children in the streets than when all I have to go on is random hearsay. I guess you could say I'm a very visual person.

[-] JargonWagon@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago

Pics or it didn't happen

[-] JonsJava@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago

This comment was reported.

Instead of taking any actions, I'll just ask this:

If the people committing the crime are great at controlling the media, it didn't happen?

[-] Objection@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Good question.

I sometimes think about the fact that JFK fired Alan Dulles, the guy in charge of assassinating world leaders, months before he was assassinated, and that Dulles was then on the investigative committee into his death. Now, does that prove Dulles was behind the assassination? No. But it does make me go "Hmm." But it is worth noting that if that was what happened, I certainly wouldn't have the means at my disposal to prove it. I wasn't on the investigative committee, after all.

Now, I might choose to believe that's what happened, or that there was a possibility that that's what happened. You might not. That's fine. But what would be less fine would be if I declared anyone who doubted my conjecture and wanted concrete proof to be a redfash who blindly believes anything the US government says and should be banned and excluded from conversation.

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my theory is that people don't have a high enough mental bandwidth to be mad at and or care about more than one thing because it's literally just permanent rage bait.

Say what you want about the facts of the situation, but you can't deny that most of the posting is just rage bait.

TL;DR stop being mad about things and care about stuff that's actually important to you. It says your mental bandwidth for more important things, like making funny memes. Instead of just being mad.

[-] GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago

I've brought this up too many times to count and honesty the responses are so cookie cutter that I swear 90% of ml users are Russian trolls/bots.

we should just defederate from ml instances entirely but that would just force them to create .world accounts.

there's no good answer other than don't interact with them. I've blocked lemmy.ml and pretty much block all troll accounts when they pop up.

[-] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I really like the troll accounts. Being told that I should be killed in a genocide because I voted is exactly the kind of absurd humor I love

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